Episode 132 – The Authority and Vulnerability Paradox with Andy Crouch

Andy Crouch, partner for theology and culture at Praxis, joined us to talk about the drama of leadership and how to navigate the tensions of authority and vulnerability as a faith driven entrepreneur. 

Andy presents a 2×2 matrix and explains the surprising reality that “authority and vulnerability go together at the moments of greatest flourishing in our lives.” Listen in to hear his call to reconsider the role authority, vulnerability, control, and safety play in our lives.


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Rusty Rueff: Welcome back, everyone, to the Faith Driven Entrepreneur podcast, I’m Rusty. Hey, you know, when we think of CEOs and bosses, we often think of strong, confident and somewhat removed people. There’s this conception that authority requires strength and confidence, which is absolutely does the problem with that attitude is that vulnerability doesn’t fit into that idea of a leader? Well, Andy Crouch, he sees this differently. You’re about to hear the talk he gave at our recent Faith Driven Entrepreneur conference about the relationship between the authority and vulnerability and how a redemptive life happens at the intersection of these two characteristics. I’ll let Andy take it from here.

Andy Crouch: I want to talk about one of the most fundamental dramas of our life as human beings, and maybe more particularly as leaders and entrepreneurs, and even more particularly when we’re in the midst of crisis. And this is this drama is the tension and in some ways the paradox of authority and vulnerability. So these are two fundamental features of being human. I think human beings have more authority than any other creature and also more vulnerability than any other creature and defied authority not just as a title or a position of power, but any time that you have capacity for meaningful action, any time that what you do makes a difference and matters in the world to you and to others, that’s when you have authority and then vulnerability. I think a vulnerability not just as emotional openness or transparency, but more broadly as exposure to meaningful risk that you’re vulnerable whenever something that you care about a lot is at stake and could be lost. And a lot of the time we kind of think as if these are opposites that either have authority or I have a vulnerability. But I’ve actually come to believe that there’s this paradox that they actually go together at the moments of greatest flourishing in our lives. There’s something about these two things together at the same time when I both have the capacity to act and I also really meaningfully feel that something’s at risk. That actually is part of my peak experiences. And in some ways this is entrepreneurship at its best. We’re trying to act meaningfully in the world. We’re taking big risks. And when it goes well, it’s not every day we really feel like we are living right. And I actually think that’s because we were meant to have these things together. I actually think we were created by God to have more authority than any creature and more vulnerability than any creature. So the parts of flourishing is to live these two at the same time. And I like to buy tools. So I’ve set up a little to buy two of these. And we will always want to be up to the right. Right. So flourishing is up into the right.

Higher authority and high vulnerability is where you want to be. Now there are three other corners and let’s think about the the kind of total opposite in a way that would be low authority, low vulnerability, and I would call this safety, that when you’re safe, you’re not being asked to act meaningfully or otherwise and you don’t feel like there’s any risk.

And the interesting thing is that this is where every healthy human life begins. To the extent that your parents could make it so or whoever played the role of parents in your life when you were a baby, they limited your authority. They did not give you a lot of capacity to act, nor did you have a whole lot. And they really limited your exposure to risk. Right. And I think about my own daughter, who, when she was small, we would wrap her up in a blanket and hold her very tightly. And she felt very safe and held and also not really needing to act. But then that same daughter walked to kindergarten about four blocks away from our house, and then she got on the bus to middle school. And at each point, I as a parent and watching her vulnerability increase, but also her capacity to act in the world. And just a couple of weeks ago, she got in a car and drove off to her college town. And I can tell you that is high vulnerability for me as a dad for her. And yet it’s exactly where I want her to be, because the healthy path of human life is from safety to flourishing.

We need to start out knowing where loved and known and held in a way. But the goal is to move out. The goal is to move up and to take more risk and also take more authority in the world. And this is the way every healthy human life is and in a way, the way every life should be. But of course, these are not the only options. So let’s think about the other two corners. Let’s think about this lower right vulnerability without authority. Oh, my gosh. We have all experienced that in twenty twenty. What is a lockdown if not being totally at risk?

Like you’re so aware there’s this respiratory virus out there. It’s it may get you or people that you love. It’s it’s cratering. The economy around you and you are lying awake at night thinking about all the vulnerabilities you have, all the risks that you’re bearing, and you have no capacity to act. You may not even be allowed to leave your home except for essential activities. So this is what I would call suffering, and it’s very vivid to us in 2020. But it’s a big part of human life. And long before the coronavirus came along, every one of us had had moments when we had lived down into the right and many, probably a billion people around around the world.

In some ways I’ve never known anything but this corner. And when you’re there, you start dreaming about the other corner. You start dreaming about authority without vulnerability, being able to act meaningfully, but having no risk. And I think the word for this is control. And the quest for control is the quest to be able to act without risk, to have authority, without vulnerability.

And we especially start to kind of dream about it and seek it and run to it when we feel like we are in suffering. And this especially happens in crisis, we look for what are our levers of control? How can we regain a sense of lower risk and a sense of greater capacity to act?

But I will tell you, I don’t think the world is set up for us to have control.

It’s not designed for control. This is not what we were designed for as human beings and in a mysterious way that I’m not going to be able to talk about at length this time around. I actually think the quest for control authority without vulnerability. For one thing, it often ends up that we end up putting other people in the position of vulnerability without authority in order to get our sense of control. And in the long run, you can have it for a fleeting moment, but you can’t keep it.

And the quest for control actually often leads us back to that lower right corner that we were trying to avoid. We really want to be up into the right.

And this, in a way, is the first prescription for leadership, you might say, because really what we’re going to need to do is help people who are in those other three corners and and the folks that we are leading the way, whether it’s our team members or any community that you’re leading. This is also true if you’re part of a family. There’s times when people are really in the control corner and need to be helped to move to the right. There are times when people are really in the suffering corner and need to be given more authority. It’s not so much that they need their vulnerability taken away. They need the capacity to act in the midst of their vulnerability. And then there are people who are in safety who need to be invited into flourishing. And this is kind of the picture of what I would call creative leadership. And it actually corresponds to the three roles of leadership, the three so-called offices of leadership in the in the Old Testament, which were prophet, priest and king. And the prophet is the one who goes to those who are seeking control, who are seeking authority without vulnerability and says, no, you need to take the proper risks and be dependent on God rather than dependent on the things that give you a sense of control. The prophet and then the priest, the priest goes to those who are vulnerable, in a sense, who don’t have the authority even to stand before God because they’re so conscious of their sin and their smallness and says, I’m going to give you a way to stand up and and present your prayer and your offering to God. And no, that will be heard. I’m going to give you the authority to be in the presence of God. And you can think of the priestly role as any time we meet people when they’re in suffering and give them the authority to meet their suffering.

And then the king, in a way, was meant to live this flourishing life and call all the people around him into this kind of fullness of life. So this is leadership in some ways. On the best days, we play these three roles in other people’s lives and we ourselves need people playing these roles in our lives as well. But I want to talk a little more about this control corner, because I just want to say we all really want it.

And I think one of the really mysterious dynamics of entrepreneurship is that even though our best days are up into the right, there’s something about all of us that slides to the left. We we try to minimize risk. And this actually often especially happens to people who become successful. And the more successful you become, the more people kind of gather around you and start explaining to you how to take risk off the table, how to kind of minimize your vulnerability. And you yourself want that. And maybe the deeper truth is that everyone in the system wants you to have it as well as your employees, your customers, your investors. What they really want to hear from you is I’m in control. They don’t necessarily want to hear about your vulnerability. And in fact, you can’t really tell them the fullness of your vulnerability, because in some ways, the drama of leadership is what I would call hidden vulnerability, hidden in the sense that you can really be living over to the right. That is your. Living with the authority you’ve been given in your role and in your calling, but you also are super aware of all kinds of risks, but you’re not able to fully disclose them to maybe anyone else in the system. And so other people see you see us as having a great deal of control, even though we’re incredibly aware of our vulnerability. And this tension is extremely painful. It’s what I sometimes called the drama of leadership is knowing how much vulnerability is present for me and those I’m leading and not being able to really disclose it. And this really feeds what I would call burnout and burnout. This tension gets so strong that where do we go? We just try to go back to safety, except at this point I just call it withdrawal. I think I experience this and some of the moments of the pandemic. I was sleeping more than I ever have. And what am I doing when I’m just, like, trying to retreat into sleep? I’m trying to just get away from the need to act and also get away from my risks. But actually, if we let ourselves go there in the depths of burnout, we ourselves and everyone around us end up in suffering.

How can we break this cycle? Two thoughts. One, you really need friends, you need friends who are not in the system, not in your company, not in your venture, who you can just speak honestly with about the hidden vulnerability that you and your company or your venture bear. And then there’s one more thing, and it’s kind of the most mysterious move in this whole chart. There is a right time and a place and an incredible power in the move down from the upper right. That is at moments when you actually are flourishing, when you have a lot of authority actually emptying yourself of that authority, but keeping all the vulnerability and entering voluntarily into suffering. And I think the word for this is sacrifice. And this is the heart of what we believe is the most transformative act in human history.

When the person who was all flourishing, he lived with great authority, and yet he was a human being, just like us, with all of our vulnerabilities emptied himself of authority, became like a servant, like a slave, emptied himself even to the point of death. On a cross. And yet after that act of sacrifice, God exalted him, raised him to have the name that’s above everything. And what happens in that exaltation, I think somehow it breaks the power of the quest to be invulnerable. It breaks the power in a way of the left side of this graph. And we end up just living this kind of life where we’re continually at the right moment in the right ways, emptying ourselves of authority, but finding that it is mysteriously by the grace and power of God restored to us and to those we love in ways we never could have imagined.

I would call this, in a way, the redemptive life and the redemptive life, this life that has nothing to do with being safe or in control, I think is the life we call to live in the midst of crisis and in many ways every day of our lives.

Rusty Rueff: Thanks so much for joining us on today’s show. We hope you enjoyed it. We are very grateful for the opportunity to serve you the larger Faith Driven Entrepreneur community, and we want to stay connected. The best way for you to do that is to sign up for our monthly newsletter at Faith Driven Entrepreneur ERG. And while you’re there, we want to hear from you. We derive great joy from interacting with many of you. And it’s been very rewarding to see people come to the site and listen to the podcast now for more than over 100 countries. But it’s even more important to us that you feel like this is your show and that you’ll help make it something the best equipped you on your entrepreneurial journey, one that you’re proud of and one that you’re going to share with others. Hey, this podcast wouldn’t be possible without the help from many of our friends. Executive producer Justin Forman and program director Johnny Wells. Music is by Carl Craquelure. You can see and hear more of his work at the summer Drugstore.com audio and editing by Richard Bahle of Cornerstone Church in San Francisco.

Faithful vs. Willful Comes Down to a Question of Identity

by J.D. Greear

Achieve, work harder, be a go-getter, pursue. These concepts which are so familiar to entrepreneurs are not inherently bad but have the potential to knock us on our backs if not kept in the right context. And that context includes a prioritization of rest, trusting the Lord to accomplish his work. JD Greear shares with us the importance of recognizing how faithfulness to the Lord’s call both to work and rest is a key component to living in our Christ-centered identity as faith driven entrepreneurs. 

It’s easy for those with a passion for business or for entrepreneurial work who are good at it, to get so consumed in it that it becomes their entire identity. 

Jesus told his followers that they were to be part of his body, a local church. Jesus never approved of Lone Ranger Christians. If you love Jesus, he wants you to be committed as a member of his body with deep relationships and opportunities for service in that body. You are a friend. That’s another one of your roles, and you need to be a good friend. And that takes time to develop you. You can have also can have responsibilities to yourself, and that is to stay healthy physically and emotionally. It’s easy to sacrifice one of these identities in order to get success in business as if that’s your only identity. But that’s not success. It is impossible to call yourself successful. If you live that way, God has not called you first to success. He’s called you first of faithfulness and faithfulness means faithfully fulfilling all the roles that God has given you. And when you embrace that, what you’re going to find is that this crushing burden is lifted off of your shoulders. 

In Psalm 127, the psalmist writes, unless the Lord builds the house, those who built it labor in vain, unless the Lord watches over the city. The Watchmen stays awake in vain. It is in vain that you rise up early and go late to rest…the point is, that when you are walking with God and when you’re just focused on being faithful, you have the capacity to take the rest that you need because it’s not all on you. You see, here’s the dilemma of the song. If the watchman is asleep, well, then who’s guarding the city? If the contractor is asleep, who’s building the house? And the Psalmist smiles very sweetly when you ask that. And he says, easy, God is rest. The Lord builds the house, those who build it labor in vain. He’s saying that even the best watchman and even the best contractors have limitations and God promises to be the one who fills in the gap, because of those limitations, to make up the difference. If we trust him, listen, entrepreneur or business owner especially, it is ultimately not your responsibility to guarantee the safety of the city. It’s not even your responsibility to make the crops flourish. It is your responsibility to be faithful and to faithfully fulfill the roles he’s given you. And after you’ve been faithful, you can lie down to sleep, whether literally or metaphorically, and you can leave the rest in his hand. God designed you so that you needed sleep. You needed a Sabbath to take a day, a week to rest, to turn yourself off. And during those times, you worked to remind yourself daily and weekly that you are not God. 

Hey, good news. The weight of the city is not on you, which means you have the luxury of resting. I’ve heard it said like this: in Christ, all you can do is all you can do. And the good news is in Christ, all you can do is enough.

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Rule of Life by Praxis Labs

We continue to count down the Top 100 Books for Faith Driven Entrepreneurs with…

Rule of Life

by Praxis Labs

Before beginning any venture, leaders must ask certain questions: What are my motives for leadership and entrepreneurship? How do I understand my identity, vision, and mission? What is the source of my creativity and what shapes my imagination? How do I internalize the pursuit of power, prestige, and wealth?

To this end, our good friends at Praxis Labs offers A Rule of Life for Redemptive Entrepreneurs as a set of shared practices for the Praxis community, and for anyone interested in faithfully pursuing a vocation as an entrepreneur, innovator, or creator.

We thought so highly of this content that we invited Andy Crouch to talk about this book and why it matters on his podcast with FDE.

Click on the book cover to check out the Reviews and Purchase at Amazon


How great companies deliver both purpose and profit

by Alex Edmans

Capitalism is in crisis. The consensus among politicians, citizens and even executives themselves – on both sides of the political spectrum and throughout the world – is that business just isn’t working for ordinary people.

The 2007 financial crisis cost nine million Americans their jobs and 10 million their homes. The economy has recovered since then, but the gains have largely gone to bosses and shareholders, while ordinary incomes have stagnated. In 2018, just 26 tycoons owned the same wealth as the 3.8 billion poorest citizens in the world.

Corporations affect not only people, but also the planet. The environmental costs created by business are estimated at $4.7 trillion per year. Notable examples are the Deepwater Horizon disaster, which spilled five million barrels of oil into the sea, and Volkswagen’s dodging of emissions tests, which caused an estimated 1,200 deaths in Europe alone.

Citizens, and the politicians who represent them, are fighting back. The precise reaction varies – occupy movements, Brexit, electing populist leaders, restricting trade and immigration, and revolting against CEO pay. But the sentiment’s the same. “They” are benefiting at the expense of “us”.

While radical calls to reform business drum up significant support, they risk throwing out the baby with the bathwater and ignore the positive role that businesses can play in society. Successful businesses design products that transform customers’ lives for the better, provide employees with a healthy and enriching workplace and preserve the environment for future generations. Merck’s drug Mectizan has substantially reduced river blindness worldwide; Vodafone’s mobile money service M-Pesa has lifted 200,000 Kenyans out of poverty; and Google’s maps, search engines and shared documents make millions of lives easier each day. Moreover, successful businesses generate profits. Profits aren’t evil value extraction, but serve a crucial role in society, providing returns to parents saving for their children’s education, pension schemes investing for their retirees and insurance companies funding future claims.

Read the full article here!

This article was originally published here by London Business School

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Change Agents: Why Entrepreneurs are Uniquely Equipped to Tackle Poverty

by Sinapis

As a boy in rural Kenya, Waweru Kuria had seen enough. His heart broke when his cousin died of a treatable illness just because his family could not afford the cost of basic healthcare. His stomach ached when his father would return home from his job as a pit latrine digger and yet food for the family was scarce. And his mind became set that he would make a difference.

Waweru’s passion to find sustainable solutions to poverty led him to become an entrepreneur. He believed that profitable business dedicated to Christ was the most dignified way to alleviate suffering and offer hope to his people. Recognizing that passion would only take him so far, Waweru enrolled in Sinapis’ Entrepreneur Academy and Fast Track Accelerator programs.

But increased knowledge didn’t guarantee instant success. His first venture in agribusiness failed. But failure is a teacher. Waweru learned from the experience and became even more determined. You see, Waweru was convinced that God had called him to entrepreneurship.

He kept diving into the problems rural Kenyans face and next created a platform that enables Kenyans to get instant access to microcredit and microinsurance through their cell phone. He called it iNukaPap, which translates to ‘instant relief.’ The concept was personal – if his aunt and uncle had been iNukaPap clients, Waweru is convinced that his cousin would be alive today. 

 Though iNukaPap was doing well, Waweru knew he could do more. In 2018 he leveraged iNukaPap’s technology to launch a micro-mortgage startup called KodiKodi. Homeownership in East Africa has historically been restricted to the upper-middle class, but KodiKodi makes it possible for aspiring homeowners to repay a mortgage in small increments with smaller down payments. As plots are developed and homes constructed, jobs are created for the local community. So far, KodiKodi has enabled more than 300 people to purchase their first plot of land and begin investing in their future. 

COVID-19

When COVID-19 struck in March, the crisis placed immediate economic pressure on Waweru and other entrepreneurs across East Africa. Land sales were delayed as travel restrictions meant that people couldn’t visit the plots of land that KodiKodi is offering. As revenue fell, it became impossible to pay staff their regular wages. Employees began to run out of money to buy food. Waweru and his wife invited several staff and their families to move into his home to ensure that their daily needs were met. 

As an experienced entrepreneur, self-pity and inaction were not an option. “I said, okay, so now people can’t buy land. But we have the land. Why don’t we farm it?” With a background in agriculture, he knew pineapples grew well in the region. The story is still unfolding, but he is innovating a model to allow investors to earn an attractive return while creating desperately needed jobs for poor subsidence farmers in the region.

Waweru is a potent example of why we focus on small and growing businesses (SGBs). They are vital to the economic growth of countries around the world. They create and sustain jobs that lift families out of poverty. They become economic engines that solve problems from the inside-out.

Unfortunately these companies are suffering at an alarming rate in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic. According to a recent report by the Aspen Network of Development Entrepreneurs (ANDE), an estimated 12% of these businesses have already failed, while 49% face a significant possibility of failure.

In response to the crisis, we have transitioned all of our training and ongoing alumni support to digital delivery. Our team is working with entrepreneurs to help them adjust their business models, reevaluate cash flow, and pursue working capital infusions. 

Serving the Entrepreneur

We believe that God strategically places entrepreneurs in every market so that they can grow profitable businesses that change lives. In the past ten years, we’ve trained thousands of entrepreneurs in emerging markets. We’ve seen firsthand the economic, social, and spiritual impact that can be made when the right leaders are equipped with practical business training, discipleship, advisors, and access to capital.  

Entrepreneurs are far more than the business they are leading. While a company may fail, entrepreneurs adapt and grow, knowing that the end goal isn’t simply betterment of themselves but of their neighbors and communities as well. Like Waweru, they keep creating. For this reason, we focus on the person first, and then their business. From the moment we meet each entrepreneur, we want to invest in all of who they are – the intellectual, the spiritual, and the relational parts of them. Not only does this create leaders who are passionate and confident in their business decisions, but people who are driven by their faith to care for the needs of their employees and communities. Who, like Waweru, say, “We can’t just wait for things to happen to us, we have to make things happen. If I see problems I will solve them. If I see something is missing I will want to fix it.“

In this challenging time, the need for Kingdom entrepreneurs in emerging markets is at an all time high. Now, more than ever, we see the impact that can be made in the lives of countless individuals when we strategically invest in job creators. 

Click here to watch the full interview with Waweru Kuria from the “Entrepreneurs on a Mission” series.

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