What does a trailer park and a million-dollar home have in common? When Ron Blue counseled both a major grocery chain CEO and a heart surgeon about money, he discovered the same answer: contentment isn’t a number—it’s a posture. And that posture starts with one question: Who owns it?

Ron Blue has spent 50+ years at the intersection of biblical wisdom and financial practice. He built what is now one of the nation’s top 50 accounting firms, founded Blue Trust (a Christian wealth management firm whose clients gave away half a billion dollars last year), and trained over 4,000 financial advisors to steward capital for Kingdom impact. In this conversation with Justin Forman, Ron traces the arc of the stewardship movement—from the days when no one equated the Bible with money, to the rise of faith-driven investing, to the challenge of building businesses that outlast their founders.

Along the way, Ron tackles the questions entrepreneurs avoid: How much is enough? What does succession look like when you’re a steward, not an owner? And what happens when God calls you away from a firm you built with a million dollars of equity—but only 35% vested?

00:00 Opening: The grocery CEO in the trailer park

01:09 FDE Podcast Intro

01:21 God’s mega-trends: Seasons of stewardship

02:44 Money as ministry, not a program or product

03:57 Upstream vs. downstream: What stewardship really means

07:06 Ron Blue the serial entrepreneur: A flyover

07:45 Giftedness discovered: Taking the complex and making it simple

08:18 Starting the accounting firm: Serving Main Street

10:04 Hiring the person who finished first on the CPA exam

11:11 Building a platform for other people’s ministry

12:04 What entrepreneurship actually takes: 10 years

13:07 When no one equated the Bible with money

14:38 Enough money in evangelical hands to fund the Great Commission

15:10 The three most important questions: Who owns it? How much is enough?

16:07 The finish line is contentment, not a number

17:21 John Steinbeck’s prophetic 1959 letter on American abundance

18:34 NBA salaries then vs. NFL today: A culture of more

19:16 The devastating realization that a billion dollars doesn’t satisfy

20:18 Contentment as a choice, not a calculation

21:50 The ATM church vs. the platform business

22:49 Surrender doesn’t mean sell: Stay in the fight

23:14 The heart surgeon in the million-dollar home

24:26 Reversing the question: What does God think?

25:50 The grocery CEO and the trailer park

27:11 The church has more resources than any generation in history

28:06 Satan’s strategy: Push you over the edge with abundance

29:08 Money, success, significance, security—why none of them deliver

30:37 Hard vs. impossible: Serving God and mammon

30:53 Succession planning: The firm is more important than the founder

31:19 Building in equity vesting from day one

32:20 Called into ministry with only 35% vested

33:22 Family succession and treating children uniquely

35:09 Do your giving while you’re living

36:04 Does it bother you that you’re not participating in the value?

37:15 NCF gave away $3.5 billion; Blue Trust clients gave $500 million

38:37 The boy with the loaves and fishes

38:56 Blue Trust’s counter-cultural growth: 17% compounded in 4 years

40:48 God’s math on a spreadsheet

41:31 The rise of faith-driven investing

43:26 From stewardship to a full Kingdom ecosystem

44:32 Flying in the face of worldly values

44:50 Where to start: Ask “Who owns it?”

46:12 Holding it with an open hand

47:21 God makes the waves—what a gift to ride them together

47:33 Closing encouragement from Justin

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What if your pastor thinks more like an entrepreneur than you realize? Dave Ferguson—co-founder of Community Christian Church and the New Thing Network, which helped plant 30,000 churches across 69 countries—joins Justin Forman to unpack the surprising parallels between church planters and entrepreneurs, and why their collaboration might be the most powerful force for community transformation available today.

Dave shares the leadership framework from his upcoming book Multiplier, including four daily gauges that keep leaders healthy over decades (RPMS: Relational, Physical, Mental, Spiritual) and four external practices drawn directly from how Jesus built his movement. You’ll also hear the remarkable story of a salesman who planted a church for kids with special needs—and why there are now 50 micro-expressions of church meeting inside Amazon’s headquarters.

Whether you’re a founder, a faith leader, or both, this episode will stretch your missional imagination and give you practical tools to multiply your impact for the long haul.

00:00 Opening: Pastors + entrepreneurs can solve the world’s greatest problems

00:55 Introducing Dave Ferguson and the New Thing Network

01:41 Starting a church on the back of a napkin

02:39 From one church to 30,000: The network model that changed everything

03:39 Defining “movement”—when does something tip?

05:38 The “chaortic” principle: vision, values, and controlled chaos

06:34 Leadership, control, and the maturation of a movement

07:01 Inflection points: The first church plant and the multiplication breakthrough

10:22 Reproducing networks—the backbone of movement

12:26 Church planters and entrepreneurs: Same wiring?

13:26 What entrepreneurs and church planters share

14:53 The darkness that keeps pastors and entrepreneurs apart

16:03 Breaking down the intimidation factor on both sides

17:47 FDE Church Partnership announcement

18:35 Barna data: When pastors and entrepreneurs come together

19:28 Justice Deposits: A pastor-entrepreneur collaboration that made history

20:45 Is the church waking up to the entrepreneurial opportunity?

21:47 The “how moment”—entrepreneurs as the bridge to every domain

23:02 Flipping the door: Pastors entering the entrepreneur’s world

23:40 Going wide AND deep: The four Rs framework

25:41 Inside Multiplier: Dave’s new book and its framework

27:08 FDE Foundation Groups announcement

27:55 Making frameworks sticky—and why it matters

29:23 The Multiplier framework: “It’s in you”

30:33 The drift problem—and why healthy leaders finish strong

32:40 RPMS: The four daily gauges every leader needs

34:16 Entrepreneurs love a great dashboard—this is yours

35:04 Building faith-driven entrepreneurship that doesn’t repeat history

37:45 Four external practices: Make disciple-makers

38:27 73% of Jesus’ time was with a few—what that means for your leadership

39:36 Leadership development over HR programs

40:52 Establishing spiritual communities and mobilizing new leaders

41:52 Launching church expressions—simpler than you think

42:41 50 micro-expressions of church inside Amazon

43:17 Mission-first community: The nuclear power source

44:41 Rick’s story: A salesman plants an all-abilities church

47:09 Missional imagination vs. checklist Christianity

47:53 Closing: Pastors and entrepreneurs bringing redemptive imagination together

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Elizabeth Ntege’s story demonstrates what happens when Kingdom principles meet one of the world’s greatest challenges: unemployment. As Group CEO of NFT, she’s tackling joblessness across 12 African countries while refusing to compromise her values, even when it costs millions.

Listen as Elizabeth shares the brutal realities of job hunting in Africa, where corruption has become so normalized that people don’t even recognize it as wrong. From bribery to sexual exploitation, desperate job seekers face impossible choices. Yet Elizabeth’s company is creating hope through partnerships with MasterCard Foundation and innovative programs that build sustainable employment.

Discover how her Faith Driven Entrepreneur journey transformed her business from scarcity thinking to Kingdom abundance, leading to one of the most powerful examples of righteous risk-taking you’ll ever hear.

00:00 Introduction: Loving employees beyond paychecks

02:06 Kampala overview: Uganda’s capital and demographics

03:31 Elizabeth’s Faith Driven Entrepreneur connection story

05:24 NFT Group: Solving unemployment across 12 countries

08:35 The scale of unemployment: 6-to-1 dependency ratio

11:18 Why solving world problems isn’t just for others

13:23 MasterCard Foundation partnership: 40 million jobs

15:44 The reality of 500 applications per job

18:48 Corruption in job hunting: bribes and exploitation

21:54 The urgency of unemployment and desperation

25:07 80% Christians, high corruption: Sunday to Monday gap

28:50 Faith-driven transformation in business

34:00 Walking away from $2M Tanzania contract

38:51 Marriage and business: setting boundaries

41:38 God as co-founder and silent partner

47:59 Entrepreneurs as natural problem solvers

50:50 Leading groups: learning through every interaction

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David Green never intended to build a billion-dollar empire. The son of a pastor, he just wanted to be a store manager at the local five-and-dime. But God had different plans. From making miniature frames in his garage with his two young sons to standing before the Supreme Court defending religious freedom, David’s journey reveals what true stewardship looks like in business.

At 84, he still serves as CEO of Hobby Lobby, still carries his paper “MyPad” instead of using a computer, and still believes the best days are ahead. In this deeply personal conversation, David shares the pivotal moments that transformed his understanding of ownership, the family framework that keeps 48 members aligned around eternal values, and why giving away half of all earnings has been the best business decision they ever made.

00:00 Introduction: The MyPad CEO

02:27 David’s trusty MyPad technology

04:06 Tech observations from an analog CEO

04:54 From pastor’s son to retailer

06:14 The five-and-dime dream

06:27 Why frames? The $600 loan story

08:18 Mark and Steve: The first employees at 7 cents per frame

09:27 From 600 square feet to $8 billion

10:43 The black sheep finds his calling

12:44 The pivotal $30,000 moment

15:14 Being anointed as a retailer

16:03 What it means to be a merchant

18:56 The faith that went to the Supreme Court

21:36 Family unity in crisis

22:50 Doing right over doing profitable

24:54 Being bold about faith from day one

25:47 Why he still needs a job at 84

27:36 Learning generosity from pastor parents

30:47 Making eternal purpose normative

33:32 Creating the family constitution

36:35 48 and counting: All in Oklahoma City

37:43 The wealth that could ruin everything

40:55 Telling the story to inspire others

43:39 Finding the best places to give eternally

46:55 The danger of “I earned it” thinking

48:45 Legacy in a thousand-year framework

50:30 Closing thoughts on faithfulness

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Before Dude Perfect became a household name, Larry and Diann Cotton were parents navigating backyard basketball goals, ruined roof shingles, and the question every parent asks: “What will my kids become?” In this deeply personal conversation, they share the parenting principles that helped their children build an entertainment empire without losing their souls.

Discover how they recognized Coby and Cory’s entrepreneurial spark through dodge frisbee games and roof basketball, celebrated Catherine’s artistic gifting through church bulletin sketches, and prayed one specific prayer when success came—that their kids would experience neither poverty nor riches, but contentment in Christ. This is essential viewing for any parent raising creative, entrepreneurial children.

00:00 Introduction: Behind the Dude Perfect phenomenon

01:09 Welcome and setting the stage for parenting entrepreneurs

01:58 The Dude Perfect origin story (video segment)

14:52 Meeting Larry and Diann Cotton

15:46 The differences between their three children

17:14 Early signs of Catherine’s artistic gifting

19:20 How the boys invented new games constantly

19:57 Noticing unique differences between twins Coby and Cory

21:53 Avoiding competition, encouraging collaboration

22:32 When hobbies became potential careers

24:10 College paths: A&M for the boys, Baylor for Catherine

25:24 The one class that changed Catherine’s trajectory

26:30 How Catherine’s business started with one wedding dress drawing

28:02 The Good Morning America morning: Every parent’s surprise

29:00 Larry’s first reaction: “You’re ruining the shingles!”

30:10 When did this become more than just a moment?

31:33 The sequence of viral videos during college

34:31 The Sports Center moment in a Raleigh pizza place

35:11 Early opportunities to share faith at Catalyst Conference

36:31 Larry and Diann’s vocational ministry journey

39:34 Realizing their kids’ platforms were different—but still ministry

40:30 The diverse opportunities their children’s work created

44:12 No divide between secular and sacred

45:19 Why early public faith declarations matter

48:43 Stating your why grounds your identity

49:41 The loneliness of entrepreneurship: Catherine’s solo journey

51:08 The boys’ isolation during the startup year

53:12 Advice for parents seeing non-traditional paths in their kids

54:12 Diann: “God is writing their unique story”

55:25 The arrow principle: Training according to their bent

56:30 Praying Proverbs 30: Neither poverty nor riches

57:48 Living in healthy tension as entrepreneurs

59:40 Not fixing problems but walking through them together

01:01:25 Closing: Faith-Driven Entrepreneur for Teens resource

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Join host John Coleman for an intimate conversation with NASCAR Hall of Famer Carl Edwards, recorded at the Main Street Summit in Carl’s hometown of Columbia, Missouri.

Carl Edwards achieved everything he dreamed of—magazine covers, championship contention, fame, wealth. Then he walked away from a multi-million dollar contract at age 36, leaving fans and the racing world stunned. This conversation reveals why.

Carl takes us from his father’s Volkswagen shop in Columbia, Missouri, through the entrepreneurial grind of breaking into NASCAR, to the intoxicating heights of fame and the devastating realization that he’d built his identity on sand. He shares the moment that changed everything: a phone call with someone struggling with alcoholism that made him see his future with terrifying clarity.

But the story doesn’t end with retirement. Carl opens up about the identity crisis that followed, how a dystopian book club led to an unexpected encounter with God, and why he now sees every miracle in his life—including the ones he attributed to his own hustle—as evidence of divine orchestration.

00:00 Introduction: More than back flips

02:31 Growing up in Columbia: Soapbox derby to NASCAR dreams

04:15 The entrepreneurial grind: Breaking into racing with zero resources

06:31 Renting the track: Creative problem-solving that launched a career

09:56 From dirt tracks to the Cup Series: The paradigm shift

12:51 Inside the car: The discipline of focus at 180 mph

15:07 The intoxication of fame: When success becomes an idol

17:26 Welcome to the league: Mark Martin’s stone-cold lesson

20:01 Flow state: The joy of the last lap

21:48 Jimmy Johnson: The competitor who modeled something better

23:30 When your son wants to race: Breaking patterns, honoring passion

25:14 Balancing family and fame: Kate’s fierce independence

27:35 The retirement decision: 30 years from now on the other end of the phone

30:48 Identity crisis: When the facade crumbles

33:13 Jiu-jitsu, dystopian books, and an ambush on a mountaintop

37:10 Life today: Wrestling with scarcity and learning generosity

42:07 The power of modeling love: When your daughter sees hope for marriage

45:00 Closing wisdom: Follow the stirring in your soul

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