What happens when one of America’s most influential pastors reflects on success, simplicity, and the danger of life’s relentless treadmill? Francis Chan opens up about his journey from building a mega-church to seeking deeper relationship with God, sharing vulnerable insights about the tension between achievement and faithfulness that every entrepreneur faces.

Drawing from his experiences in Hong Kong’s fast-paced culture, Francis reveals why he wishes he could tell his younger self to focus on Scripture’s main commands rather than just building bigger. He shares the remarkable story of why he asked God not to make him rich, how he decided to give away his book royalties, and what entrepreneurs can learn from Proverbs 30:7-9 about the dangers of wealth.

This conversation challenges the cultural narrative of endless growth and achievement, offering a counter-cultural perspective on what it means to use success as a platform for Kingdom impact.

00:00 Introduction: Hong Kong’s energy and Francis’s connection

01:28 Growing up in Hong Kong: First language and cultural familiarity

02:37 The cultural tension: Busyness vs. deep relationship with God

04:00 The treadmill analogy: Running without purpose

06:01 Looking back: What Francis would tell his younger self

08:10 The competition trap: Achievement-based mindset from young ages

10:53 The power of example over discussion

12:28 Scripture’s command: Be quick to listen, slow to speak

15:39 Deep relationships vs. reaching more people

18:06 Creating content with eternal perspective in mind

20:33 Daily surrender: 40 years of morning prayer

24:00 Why God made us: Relationship, not just work

27:02 The danger of coveting in entrepreneurship

29:03 Faithfulness vs. creativity in following God

32:32 Francis’s story: Choosing simplicity over wealth

36:13 The prayer that changed everything: “Make me rich and I’ll give it all away”

40:21 Hope and anticipation: Sports vs. heaven

44:16 Proverbs 30:7-9: The wisdom of asking God not to make you rich

47:02 Challenge to entrepreneurs: Use success to live differently

50:00 The goal of life: Looking like Jesus

54:52 Closing prayer for entrepreneurs

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Watch as Benjamin Fernandes shares his incredible journey from sports broadcasting in Tanzania to building Nala and Rafiki – payment infrastructure serving millions across Africa and Asia. After covering major sporting events as a teenager, facing academic failure, and experiencing a miraculous Stanford MBA acceptance, Benjamin returned home to tackle one of the world’s largest underserved markets: cross-border payments for diaspora communities.

Discover the staggering economics behind remittances – with India receiving $129 billion annually from migrants abroad – and how these funds often dwarf countries’ largest exports. Benjamin reveals the gritty reality of customer acquisition, standing outside mosques and churches with flyers, and why building in emerging markets means constructing the bridge for future entrepreneurs.

00:00 From sports anchor to most interesting man alive

01:28 Covering World Cup at 21: The early TV career

02:10 Growing up with pastor parents in Tanzania

03:41 The transformational British family scholarship

06:00 Academic failure and the wake-up call

10:59 Stanford miracle: The $400 seed and divine provision

15:45 Choosing mission over money: The decision to return home

22:43 Diaspora economics: The $129 billion India receives annually

28:43 30-35% of customers are entrepreneurs back home

32:58 Why FinTech dominates African venture funding

36:35 Building infrastructure isn’t sexy but it’s essential

38:17 Nala to Rafiki: Consumer business meets B2B infrastructure

43:29 Church to mosque customer acquisition strategy

49:18 The power of rejection letters as entrepreneurial fuel

50:21 Gratitude and remembering your helpers

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What happens when churches fail to engage their most entrepreneurial members? They lose them. Carey Nieuwhof, leadership expert and former lead pastor who successfully bridged ministry and business, reveals the hidden crisis of entrepreneurial isolation and why churches hold the key to solving it.

Discover why there’s mutual intimidation between pastors and entrepreneurs, how successful churches are moving beyond asking business leaders to “hand out programs,” and why 50% of retired CEOs die within two years of leaving their roles. Carey shares practical strategies for churches to become “incubators” for Kingdom-minded ventures and explains why entrepreneurs desperately need the “convening power” that only churches possess.

This conversation will transform how you think about community, calling, and the untapped potential sitting in your church pews every Sunday.

00:00 The entrepreneurial isolation crisis

01:33 Carey’s journey from law to ministry to entrepreneurship

04:17 Why entrepreneurs don’t fit the typical pastoral mold

07:22 The mutual intimidation factor between pastors and entrepreneurs

10:00 Learning from entrepreneurial stock and family business

15:09 Why community is being redefined in real time

20:28 The difference between “real friends” and “deal friends”

25:31 How churches can engage high-capacity leaders effectively

30:00 Jesus’ model of differential access and investment

34:05 Moving beyond inclusive ministry to targeted engagement

35:21 Pat Lencioni’s frustration: From consulting Fortune 50 to handing out programs

40:06 Conducting yourself under spiritual authority as an entrepreneur

43:48 The church’s “convening power” advantage

46:25 Why for-profits are exploding in the Kingdom space

48:37 Facilitation and incubation: The church’s sweet spot

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What if the founder of LEGO was actually a modern-day Job who smuggled grenades to Allied forces in toy boxes while Nazi soldiers lived in his house? Jordan Raynor joins us to reveal the shocking untold stories of faith-driven innovators and explain why most biographies put us to sleep instead of inspiring action.

Discover how Jordan is using cutting-edge AI video technology to bring dead heroes back to life, making biographies that can compete with Netflix for your attention. Learn why Ole Kirk Christiansen persevered through three factory fires, bankruptcy, and the loss of his wife and daughter to build the world’s most successful toy company—all while clinging to his faith.

This conversation challenges entrepreneurs to embrace play as spiritual discipline, reject the four counterfeit quests of retreat, recreation, retirement, and renown, and join Jesus in the redemptive work of engaging darkness with light.

00:00 Introduction: From Will Smith eating spaghetti to AI revolution

02:12 Making biographies great again with AI video technology

05:00 What’s broken about traditional biographies

08:08 The untold LEGO story begins

11:20 Ole Kirk Christiansen: The modern-day Job

12:46 Three fires, Nazi invasion, and family tragedy

15:00 The vision that changed everything

16:27 Why we need mere Christian heroes

18:44 The theology of play in entrepreneurship

24:01 Defining play: “I get to” vs “I have to”

28:30 Why entrepreneurs don’t need hobbies

32:09 CS Lewis: From drunk satanist to Christian icon

34:05 Identifying the villain in every story

36:02 The Normandy moment for faith-driven entrepreneurs

38:01 Four counterfeit quests vs. redemption

39:14 Why entrepreneurs face unique temptations

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President Lazarus Chakwera brings a unique perspective to leadership—after 30 years as a pastor and leader of the Assemblies of God in Malawi, he answered an unmistakable call from God to “pastor the nation.” Now as President, he’s leading a transformation that could reshape how the world partners with Africa.

Filmed at the stunning Lake Malawi, this conversation reveals why the shift from aid to investment isn’t just economic policy—it’s about dignity, partnership, and Kingdom principles. President Chakwera unpacks Malawi’s ambitious vision to become an inclusively wealthy, self-reliant economy through strategic focus on Agriculture, Tourism, and Mining (his “ATM strategy”).

Faith-driven investors will discover why society trusts entrepreneurs more than ever, how to avoid exploitative practices, and what it means to invest with a servant’s heart. This isn’t just about financial returns—it’s about lifting nations and blessing generations.

00:00 Introduction from Lake Malawi

02:54 From pastor to president: An unlikely journey

04:19 “Pastor, I want you to pastor the nation”

07:07 What it means to be faith-driven as a president

09:46 Why entrepreneurs and pastors need each other

10:07 The blessing in disguise: From aid to investment

11:53 Understanding Africa’s mindset shift

12:40 Malawi’s vision for 2030 and 2063

15:31 Mining rare earth minerals for the green economy

16:44 Infrastructure: The unsexy but essential enabler

18:25 Re-engineering from consumption to production

21:03 The ATM strategy: Agriculture, Tourism, Mining

22:35 Africa’s youth advantage: Mean age of 18

23:56 Creating synergy between faith and business

26:14 From poverty alleviation to wealth creation

27:05 Building trust-based investment partnerships

31:59 Why value addition must happen in Africa

33:55 If I was 18 in Malawi, I’d start this business

36:16 “God wants me to continue to be a blessing”

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What happens when all the demons are running around doing their thing? Andy Crouch calls our current cultural moment “pandemonium”—and explains why this presents both unprecedented challenges and opportunities for faith-driven entrepreneurs. In this essential conversation, discover why institutional trust has collapsed, what it means for Kingdom-minded business leaders, and how the three-generation cycle of rebuilding actually gives us hope.

Andy reveals shocking data: small businesses and the military are the only institutions maintaining trust above 50%, while everything else—government, universities, even churches—has seen dramatic decline. But rather than retreat in fear, he offers a compelling vision for how entrepreneurs can serve their way to cultural renewal, following Jesus’s radical alternative to both dominance and prestige hierarchies.

This isn’t just about surviving uncertainty—it’s about thriving in the long rebuilding ahead and being part of God’s three-generation restoration process.

00:00 Introduction: When institutions lose their mission

01:20 Where Andy’s best writing happens

02:15 Pomodoro method and creative process

03:34 Describing our cultural moment: Pandemonium

04:15 Why pandemonium fits better than chaos

05:00 Multiple forces creating cultural confusion

06:58 The only institutions above 50% trust

08:09 How COVID accelerated institutional decline

10:00 Public schools and the trust collapse

12:05 Acknowledging the long-term erosion

12:44 Two types of hierarchies: Dominance vs Prestige

15:28 Why prestige hierarchies are more stable

16:18 When institutions stop rewarding knowledge

18:34 The “gradually then suddenly” collapse

19:29 Why economic recovery didn’t restore trust

21:20 24/7 scrutiny and institutional fragility

23:38 The challenge of rebuilding vs staying legitimate

24:25 The three-generation rebuilding principle

25:00 Lessons from Genesis: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob

27:03 Why the third generation is key

28:19 Rwanda genocide and generational healing

30:29 Hope in the long-term rebuilding process

31:05 The opportunity for entrepreneurs

31:28 Jesus’s radical alternative to hierarchies

33:14 Building lean, service-focused businesses

34:15 Why small businesses maintain trust

35:48 Military culture of servant leadership

38:21 Mission creates community, not vice versa

39:16 Ephesians 6 and spiritual warfare

40:00 Love as the foundation of reality

41:58 This moment as opportunity, not fear

42:50 Practicing under pressure with high stakes

43:27 Final encouragement and next steps

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