What happens when an entrepreneur who fell away from faith encounters Jesus in silence and decides to build a prayer app with $10? Alex Jones shares Hallow’s extraordinary journey from a personal spiritual awakening to becoming the #1 app in the Apple App Store—surpassing tech giants like Amazon, YouTube, and Netflix during Lent.

Discover how a heartbreaking note from his aunt who lost her son convinced Alex to dedicate his life to this mission, why they risked everything on a Super Bowl commercial without clear ROI, and how God keeps showing up in miraculous ways (including fixing a crash right after a priest prayed). Alex vulnerably discusses the tension of being an independent entrepreneur while remaining radically dependent on God, and why prayer isn’t about feeling better—it’s about having a real relationship with an invisible God who transforms everything, including pain.

00:00 Introduction: From $10 to billion prayers

02:00 Alex’s faith journey: From agnostic to contemplative prayer

03:00 The heartbreaking aunt story that changed everything

08:23 Core customer challenge: Who are we building for?

16:05 Redeeming technology: Gamification for good

18:01 The thin line between virtue and vice

24:28 Prayer in culture: Where we are as a society

25:45 Spiritual revival happening across America

27:36 What prayer really is (and isn’t)

31:33 Authenticity: Partnering with Mark Wahlberg and Jonathan Roumie

36:30 The controversial Super Bowl commercial decision

38:27 Beating Temu to #1 in the App Store

44:53 Cultural impact: Making prayer normative

47:12 The upstream solution to world’s problems

50:21 Scale and scope: 27.5 million downloads

51:02 Working with faith-driven investors like Goodwater

53:46 Three keys: Great people, excellence, radical surrender

57:39 Dependent entrepreneurs: The beautiful tension

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What if your entire definition of a wealthy life has been incomplete? Sahil Bloom, author of The Five Types of Wealth, joins Justin Forman to challenge how entrepreneurs measure success. After years of chasing financial achievement at the expense of everything else, one conversation about seeing his parents only 15 more times sparked a complete reframe of what it means to build a truly rich life.

Discover why ambition directed toward service creates fulfillment while ambition focused solely on money leads to misery. Learn how to define “enough” for yourself, why seasons of imbalance are necessary for building, and how asking “why” like a child can lead you toward something that feels like God. This conversation transcends typical faith and work discussions—it’s about the universal questions we all must answer to live fully alive.

00:00 Introduction: Redefining wealth in modern society

01:47 The two catalysts: Wealth inequality and COVID’s zoom-out moment

04:01 Chasing external solutions to internal problems

05:26 The double edge of sports and achievement culture

07:28 The gold medal fallacy: Why arrival never satisfies

09:19 Ambition channeled toward service vs. money

11:36 Finding inspiration in Christian faith and service

11:51 The five types of wealth framework explained

13:54 Why financial wealth comes fifth

15:05 Defining “enough” through your ideal Tuesday

18:05 Cultivating truth-tellers by being one

20:40 Reclaiming childlike “why” questions

21:44 When the “why” rabbit hole leads to God

24:23 Time wealth during building seasons

26:25 The balance wheel fallacy

27:41 What Tim Cook’s endorsement reveals

30:46 The science behind holistic wealth

32:31 Purpose as knowing your “why” each morning

33:50 Creating compelling visual frameworks

35:12 Tolerance for uncertainty as a superpower

36:04 Hard things don’t get easier, you get stronger

37:01 Learning to work without validation

39:07 The courage to start: Who tapped you in?

41:02 Next steps: Find your truth-tellers

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What if the greatest mission field on the planet wasn’t a geographic location but a community? Steve Stenstrom, President of Pro Athletes Outreach, reveals why pro sports represents unprecedented gospel ROI—and why the next few years present a once-in-a-generation opportunity.

After 55 years of faithful discipleship, PAO is witnessing athletes boldly proclaiming Christ on stages reaching hundreds of millions. From women’s cricket matches watched by 500 million to NFL press conferences, the movement is accelerating. Steve shares shocking data: pro soccer is statistically less reached than Somalia, with only 950 believers among 567,000 professional players. But with the 2026 World Cup and 2028 Olympics both coming to North America, the doors are opening.

Discover why the “pro to pro” model works, how 70% of athletes face bankruptcy or divorce within 3 years of retirement, and what entrepreneurs can learn from the athlete journey. This isn’t just about sports—it’s about stewarding platforms, building authentic community, and recognizing that God deploys marketplace leaders where traditional missionaries can’t go.

00:00 Introduction: Cricket star proclaims Christ to 500M viewers

01:08 Bold visionaries in sports ministry

01:19 When press conferences become pulpits

02:37 Athletes’ lives constantly on display

02:48 Sports infiltrates everything in society

03:14 Sports as universal language

04:09 Greatest ROI potential: Reaching pro athletes

04:35 The isolation problem for professional athletes

05:10 70% bankruptcy/addiction/divorce rate post-retirement

06:03 Pro Athletes Outreach: 55 years of discipleship

06:45 Learning to be surrendered disciples of Jesus

07:13 The locker room model: Pro to pro ministry

08:37 Francis Chan moment: Holy Spirit calling

09:17 Athletes have platforms the world listens to

09:51 Finding identity beyond the game

10:49 When you taste what it’s like to be alive in Christ

11:26 NFL stands for “not for long”—ministry beyond the game

12:20 Break my heart for what breaks yours

12:42 Collaborative environments for kingdom impact

13:20 Entrepreneurs and athletes: Both problem solvers

14:19 Early stages of global sports ministry potential

14:45 Soccer: 950 believers among 567K pro players

15:05 13 major sports, PAO currently serves 3

16:47 Decades of faithfulness leading to this moment

17:45 Understanding our times like men of Issachar

19:10 The 30-second moment on live TV

19:57 Matthew 7: Building on the right foundation

21:19 Pro to pro: Why peers accelerate authenticity

23:34 Sports as the new Roman roads for gospel

24:33 Tim Tebow era: Masculinity meets bold faith

26:10 Direct-to-audience media changes everything

27:40 Sports Spectrum: 40 years of keeping Jesus in conversation

28:08 Global headwinds: Not all cultures applaud public faith

28:37 Women’s cricket semi-final: 10X World Series viewership

29:46 The cost: Potential career sacrifice for Christ

30:51 Sports loyalty rivals religious devotion

32:16 Getting the data: How unreached are pro athletes?

32:58 Pro sports less reached than Somalia, North Korea

34:54 Life as collection of seasons

35:47 None of us can do it alone

36:54 Reaching athletes early: Maximum kingdom impact

37:30 Beyond the game while still in the game

38:48 Connecting faithful chaplains globally

39:24 The 3:30 ecosystem explained

41:07 Ministries as organisms, not just organizations

42:37 Entrepreneurs and athletes: Similar DNA

44:24 Leading from behind and beneath

46:11 Next steps: Join a faith-driven community

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Society trusts entrepreneurs twice as much as pastors. This isn’t bad news—it’s the church’s greatest opportunity. Mark Grunden and Josh Seabaugh reveal why traditional “faith and work” approaches lose entrepreneurs, while starting with entrepreneur-focused ministry creates cascading impact throughout entire congregations.

Recorded at FDE’s Charleston staff retreat, this conversation unpacks lessons from Saddleback Church’s 30-year marketplace ministry journey, recent transitions from pastoral roles to entrepreneurship, and the simple steps any church can take to become a hub for faith-driven entrepreneurs in their city.

00:00 Barna research: Entrepreneurs trusted 2X more than pastors

01:15 Charleston staff retreat and the significance of church steeples

04:42 Mark’s journey: From church plant to Saddleback to FDE

06:20 Two counter-narratives: Declining numbers yet God is moving

07:55 Josh’s story: 10 years marketplace, 10 years pastoral ministry

11:22 The moment we’re in: When did marketplace ministry become normal?

12:38 Why business lunches lose steam after six months

15:14 Society is looking for action-oriented leadership

17:56 Church partnership opportunity overview

18:43 Entrepreneurs need each other in this unprecedented moment

20:09 Pastors transitioning to marketplace have more pastoral conversations

21:33 The “do it all” trap: Why churches get paralyzed

23:22 If you start with everybody, you’ll never get the entrepreneur

25:55 Entrepreneurs are time-starved—give them what speaks to them

27:46 Pastors and entrepreneurs: More alike than different

29:25 Entrepreneurs don’t demand things, they build things

30:30 How entrepreneurs can bridge the gap with their church

32:59 Safe place to wander: What entrepreneurs actually need

33:48 Hockey arena and mall examples: Churches dreaming entrepreneurially

37:35 Foundation Groups and the eight-week pathway

38:50 Simple first steps for entrepreneurs and churches

40:46 The network of 250 churches becoming entrepreneur hubs

42:14 No cost, no catch—just partnership

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Mark Vroegop serves as President of The Gospel Coalition, but his journey through thirty years of pastoral ministry—including profound personal loss—gives him unique insight into why the faith and work movement struggles to connect with local churches. In this honest conversation, Mark addresses the mutual intimidation, schedule blindness, and missed opportunities keeping pastors and entrepreneurs from the partnership both desperately need.

Beyond theory, Mark offers practical wisdom from two books addressing universal human experiences: Dark Clouds, Deep Mercy explores lament as the biblical language for grief (including business failure and betrayal), while his work on waiting addresses how leaders navigate gaps when outcomes remain uncertain. For entrepreneurs facing closure, pivots, or partnership betrayals—and pastors bearing leadership weight—this episode provides both theological framework and actionable next steps.

00:00 Introduction: Bringing faith and work back to the local church

01:34 What is The Gospel Coalition?

02:49 Leading a council of 45 diverse pastors

04:04 Theological triage: Keeping main things main

05:42 Current challenges facing the church today

07:26 Information overload and AI’s impact on truth

09:31 Gospel Coalition’s AI Christian Benchmark Report

10:33 Should the church engage AI or wait and see?

12:15 Faith and work integration comes to the church

13:31 Faith and work 2.0: Beyond valuing work to church partnership

14:56 Why business leaders need to be good churchmen

16:00 Why are pastors and entrepreneurs missing each other?

17:18 Week in the life of a pastor breakdown

19:49 Translating pastoral demands into entrepreneur language

21:04 Where entrepreneurs could help pastors most

22:28 The missing platform and presence problem

23:44 Meeting business leaders in their world

25:44 Dark seasons: Introduction to lament

26:54 Defining lament as prayer in pain leading to trust

28:42 Grieving business closure and entrepreneurial loss

30:07 Four types of lament in the Psalms

31:06 Why leaders need permission to lament

33:29 Navigating uncertain seasons and gaps

34:44 Waiting on the Lord through uncertainty

36:20 Gaps in biblical stories we often miss

37:21 Psalm 27: Waiting as a position of strength

38:51 Building waiting into your strategic plan

39:33 When gaps become uncomfortable and idols emerge

40:17 Next steps and practical application

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Andrew DeVaney didn’t set out to build a four-pillar community development model. It started with a friendship—staying with a rural Ugandan educator and witnessing firsthand how education, healthcare, agriculture, and employment challenges are deeply interconnected in communities where the majority live on subsistence farming.

Now As One Africa operates seven locations with 420 full-time Ugandan staff, serving 4,000 students, 50,000 patients, and training 5,000 smallholder farmers per location. But the real innovation isn’t the scale—it’s the model. By treating beneficiaries as customers and building earned revenue streams, they’re creating sustainable solutions that don’t depend on foreign aid.

Discover why Uganda’s young population represents massive opportunity, how storytelling can shift narratives about Africa, and what it takes to stay in the game long enough to see real transformation happen.

00:00 Introduction: Solving big problems together

01:53 Geography 101: Understanding Uganda’s context

02:16 50 million people in the size of Oregon

03:23 The demographic advantage: Africa’s young population

03:51 Why young people expect better from their leaders

05:12 The big problem: Rural service delivery challenges

06:09 Empowering Ugandans to solve Ugandan problems

09:04 “You want to catch a thief, send a thief”

09:11 Coming alongside vs. replacing local leadership

11:55 Sustainability through earned revenue models

13:27 From beneficiaries to customers with voice

14:12 Community buy-in through financial investment

16:54 Scale overview: 7 locations, 420 staff, thousands served

17:41 Why these four pillars? Schools, health, farms, business

18:52 The interconnectivity of rural poverty

19:32 Many players needed to solve big problems

20:16 The airport analogy: Building economies takes collaboration

21:52 Overcoming scarcity mindset for abundant Kingdom thinking

22:09 Starting with conversations and relationships

24:29 Abundance mindset: There’s so much out there

24:52 The church’s unprecedented resources today

25:08 Praxis impact: Venture building meets soul care

25:25 Balancing what we create with who we are

27:18 Time in the game: Long obedience in the same direction

28:30 Creative problem-solving with moving goalposts

29:04 Not just what we do, but how we do it

29:48 Re-risking and staying in the game

30:21 Humble ambition in the Praxis community

30:49 The power of storytelling: Shifting African narratives

31:54 Telling stories with dignity and possibility

32:32 Hope rooted in resurrection: Neither pessimist nor optimist

33:33 Supporting actors: Letting Ugandans be the heroes

34:01 Words don’t just describe reality—they create it

34:21 Check out As One Africa: asonearica.org

34:43 Closing: Where to get involved and learn more

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