What does it look like when God owns not just your business, but your suffering, your family, and your calling? Chad Spencer—entrepreneur, Ashley Furniture dealer, and co-founder of For Others—found out the hard way. From a Memphis apartment where three girls slept on one sleeping bag, to a hospital room at rock bottom with a book he didn’t plan to open, his story is what happens when an entrepreneur stops trying to manage God and starts listening to Him.

Chad traces a journey that runs from founding Beds for Kids in 2005 (now nearly 200,000 beds given nationwide through Ashley’s Hope to Dream program) through a decade of infertility, two failed adoptions, a business in freefall, and a premature baby born with life-threatening complications—all hitting in the same 90-day stretch. He shares how God used that breaking point to recalibrate everything: his leadership, his marriage, his purpose, and ultimately his calling to tackle the foster care crisis in America alongside worship artist Chris Tomlin through For Others.

The business mind Chad brings to this conversation is striking. He doesn’t just talk about caring—he talks about vision, path, leadership, team, and execution. When he realized there are over 400,000 kids in foster care and over 400,000 churches in America, the math hit him the same way a good business problem does: this is solvable. Tune in for one of the most honest, practical, and spiritually grounded conversations on what it means to be a faith-driven entrepreneur in the fullest sense of that phrase.

00:00 Cold open: Single moms and kids without beds

00:33 Welcome and Chad’s introduction

01:34 The ABC Home Makeover contest that started it all

03:20 God’s call: Business as a mission field

04:49 The moment Beds for Kids was born

06:12 How Beds for Kids became Ashley’s Hope to Dream

07:02 For Others video: The foster care crisis in America

10:14 Connecting the businesses to the bigger mission

10:23 A decade of infertility and failed adoptions

12:03 The weight of watching your wife suffer

13:00 Telling Kelly: “I will not go back to work until He is enough”

15:24 Number 16 on the Kenya list — and then Lisa

17:11 The employee God placed at the company

18:06 The Olive Garden meeting — and a gastroschisis diagnosis

19:56 Rock bottom: Business collapsing in real time

21:29 The hospital closet, 100 books, and Tim Keller

23:09 Worship music, tears, and a prayer in a hospital room

25:00 Romans 8 and the voice of God

26:20 “Hey babe, we have a son” — naming Mac

27:53 15 months in the hospital and what Chad began to see

28:32 When entrepreneurs stop armchair quarterbacking

30:30 Fear of failure, hubris, and losing sight of why

31:35 “How’s your soul?” — the question that cracked him open

32:55 Guard your heart — the wellspring of life

34:46 Motivation is a breath mint; purpose is a pillar

36:00 The Great Shema and building an org around heart and soul

36:40 Stepping into For Others: Meeting Chris Tomlin on a plane

39:14 The VPLTR framework applied to the foster care crisis

40:47 400,000 kids. 400,000 churches. One per church.

42:15 The data problem in the foster care system

43:49 Curating best-in-class providers and scaling them

44:30 Defining the problem: Prevent, provide, prepare

46:58 Root causes of kids bouncing through 8+ placements

49:32 The matching problem — and a Tennessee Christmas story

50:42 Governor Lee and getting kids out of government buildings

53:12 Why billions spent hasn’t solved it — and what’s different now

54:48 Five-star families and CRM thinking for foster care

56:21 Street by street, county by county — and the church’s moment

57:14 A bigger table: Entrepreneurs, investors, influencers, athletes

59:00 Solving the world’s greatest problems — visit solving.org

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What happens when two people who used to hate each other decide to throw a Bible on the table and say, ‘That’s the rule book—find something I’m not doing and I’ll repent’? For John and Ashley Marsh, it became the beginning of one of the most unlikely and beautiful Kingdom stories you’ll hear. Filmed at Main Street Summit, this conversation with host Justin Forman goes deep on what it actually takes to build a marriage, raise a family, and run a business with God at the center—and what happens when you don’t.

John and Ash share the ‘vision vs. division’ dynamic that silently destroys marriages—and the tools they use to stay unified, including a Sunday afternoon spreadsheet review they call ‘engineered heated fellowship.’ They unpack the hat analogy for married entrepreneurs, what happened when John publicly dishonored Ash in front of their whole team (and how she responded), and the $7 million decision made without alignment that became their costliest lesson. Whether you’re building a business solo or with your spouse, this episode will challenge you to examine who’s really on the throne.

The Marsh Collective has now seen 210+ marriages reconciled through their work. This is what Kingdom-minded marriage and entrepreneurship looks like when it’s grounded in Scripture, honest about failure, and full of hope.

00:00 Who’s on the throne of your marriage?

01:16 Red glasses and knowing your role (the toolbox analogy)

03:49 Thank you to the FDE community — the impact of vulnerability

04:40 ‘It was a privilege to make the wrong choices’ — Ash on gratitude

05:01 Ambassadors of hope — stewarding a broken story

06:21 210 marriages reconciled: What this ministry looks like

09:34 The split screen: Inches apart but miles away

10:22 Vision vs. division — why couples think they’re unified when they’re not

11:38 The only thing that healed their marriage

12:39 Who’s on the throne of the marriage — not just the individual

13:57 The hat analogy: Married, parent, and business partner

14:55 Cultural hats we never chose — and how to identify them

16:38 Hats we adopt without realizing it

17:47 How EOS and Rocket Fuel language applies at home

18:58 ‘Engineered heated fellowship’ — the Sunday afternoon weekly meeting

20:03 Asking for the hat — CEO vs. mom in real time

21:05 Asking for care vs. critique — naming what you need

22:33 Expectations as ‘unvoiced demands’

23:07 The more roles, the greater the tension — the father-in-law story

25:19 Ash confronts John about dishonoring her in front of the team

27:35 John receives correction and repents publicly before the company

29:39 Faith plus nothing, repentance plus nothing

30:07 Brave conversations and the courage to deliver what God shows you

31:40 The Sunday afternoon spreadsheet: How it works

34:52 Integrated calendars, the Five F’s, and measuring what matters

37:39 How Sunday’s meeting shapes Monday for the whole team

40:30 The $7 million decision — and the lesson it left

42:05 Closing encouragement — are you and your spouse aligned?

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What does a free safety’s job of reading offensive plays have to do with the schemes the enemy runs against entrepreneurs? Everything. Derwin Gray — former NFL Pro Bowler, pastor of Transformation Church, and author — joins Justin Forman to expose the identity trap that sends high-achieving entrepreneurs spiraling, and to lay out the only playbook that actually leads to freedom.

Derwin draws on neuroscience, his own on-field and off-field breakdowns, and decades of pastoral ministry to show why entrepreneurs are uniquely wired to outrun their wounds — and uniquely positioned to stop. Whether you’re succeeding on paper but broken at home, or simply can’t turn the engine off, this conversation is for you.

From intercepting Steve Young and body-slamming Dan Marino to hitting rock bottom on all fours in a hotel hallway — and finding Christ in a dorm room at Anderson University — Derwin’s story is the most important play he’s ever walked through. And he’s sharing it for entrepreneurs who are ready to stop running.

00:00 Opening: Diagnosing the plays the dark powers run against us

01:04 Derwin’s football origin story: San Antonio to BYU

03:19 The dream that predicted three interceptions — a record that still stands

04:52 From BYU to the NFL: When the dream became a nightmare

07:11 August 2nd, 1997: The dorm room where everything changed

09:54 Identity formation and the trap of performance

10:22 Idolatry: Finding worth in what you do vs. what God has done

12:32 Reading the defense: How football trained Derwin to diagnose spiritual schemes

14:46 Why fans study football details — and what happens when we apply that to life

15:08 Walking in the spirit is being present to the Holy Spirit’s power

16:33 Shame and guilt: The “chilt” culture running plays against us

17:43 Trauma, the nervous system, and why naming your wounds matters

19:00 Why entrepreneurs are the worst at healing — and the most beautiful

21:25 Running to something vs. running from something

22:08 The hardest hit of Derwin’s NFL career — and it wasn’t on the field

24:40 BUSY: Being Under Satan’s Yoke

26:49 Neuroscience, neural pathways, and what Paul knew 2,000 years ago

29:01 The lie that your thoughts will go away once you follow Jesus

30:29 What Jesus modeled when tempted: “As it is written”

31:02 What becomes possible when pastors and entrepreneurs unite

34:41 Mutual intimidation between pastors and business leaders

36:00 Why mediocrity is tolerated in the church — and shouldn’t be

38:12 Closing: Scripture for entrepreneurs who need to call a timeout

38:51 Galatians 2:20 and why your significance is already settled

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Only 17% of Americans say they find a great deal of meaning and purpose at work. Loneliness is rising. Depression is climbing. And somehow, the wealthiest societies on earth are flourishing less than middle-income ones. John Coleman — investor at Sovereign’s Capital, 15-year Harvard Business Review contributor, and author of Good Money — has spent his career asking why. And the answer, it turns out, has always been hiding in plain sight.

John joins Justin Forman for an expansive conversation on what it means to have a healthy relationship with money. His book Good Money presents a comprehensive framework covering earning, spending, giving, investing, and saving — and grounds each in both cutting-edge research on human flourishing and the ancient wisdom of Scripture. The Bible mentions money over 2,300 times, and modern research is now catching up to what it’s always said.

Entrepreneurs especially will want to hear John’s take on the hedonic treadmill, the financial finish line, and why setting a cap on lifestyle spending isn’t giving up — it’s a turbocharge for your business, your generosity, and your purpose.

00:00 The crisis of meaning: 17% engaged, 17% finding purpose

01:42 Fun facts: Chess champs and speech team nerds

03:07 Why structuring thought is the most important skill in business

04:25 Why John wrote Good Money and what led him there

05:18 The two streams: Human flourishing research + investor life

07:20 The Bible, 2,300 references, and the love of money

08:36 The Good Money framework: Six areas of your financial life

09:20 The Harvard human flourishing model: 5 intrinsics explained

10:52 The financial finish line conversation: Alan Barnhart, Casey Crawford, Henry

11:35 How hedonic adaptation works — and the John D. Rockefeller quote

13:20 Dostoevsky’s warning: How Much Land Can a Man Need?

14:46 Clayton Christensen: 100% is easier than 98%

16:55 How the finish line turbocharged generosity for Alan, Casey, and Henry

17:44 Why consumption traps burn people out faster than ambition ever could

19:30 Compounding generosity: The ripple effect of deploying capital well

20:05 Faith as the anchor — why Christian community changes behavior

21:00 Generosity stats: Only 4 in 10 Americans give anything at all

22:15 The physical benefits of generosity: mortality, dementia, heart attack, stroke

23:00 No success without significance — why waiting to give is a deception

25:28 Why wealthy societies flourish less: Results from Harvard, Baylor & Gallup

27:53 Longevity, money, and the gospel — meeting people where they are

31:40 The investor mindset: Why entrepreneurs must see the bounce

33:47 Entrepreneurs as salt and light — why withdrawing cedes the territory

35:31 Building accountability: Who needs to be in your money conversation

36:28 Finding advisors whose values are aligned with yours

38:30 Teaching your kids about money — and why they’ll hold you accountable

40:36 Call to action: Grab the book and start the conversation today

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Brandon West built a creative agency. Then he handed a key to a sex trafficking safe house and realized he’d been dreaming too small. PHOS Creative founder and Chief Purpose Officer Brandon West joins Justin Forman to unpack the collision of brand strategy, biblical stewardship, and what it looks like when a business decides it exists for something bigger than the next client win.

Brandon shares the marketing principles every faith-driven entrepreneur needs to hear — why over-produced content can actually kill trust, how awareness and trust are two cogs that have to work together, and why excellent work alone has never led anyone to ask, “What must I do to be saved?” But the real turning point comes when Brandon’s leadership team laughs at his idea to launch a sex trafficking safe house — and then God makes it happen in a month. Thirty-seven care centers later, Brandon’s vision has a new measure of success: it is not your business to succeed, but to be faithful.

00:00 Intro: Sex trafficking in Gainesville — blinders coming off

01:23 Welcome from the Hope Center, Dallas

02:56 What makes a great ad — and what makes it forgettable

04:21 The hook problem: Why the skip button reveals everything

06:32 The two things every organization needs online: Awareness and trust

08:20 Tools for faith-driven entrepreneurs: Excellence AND authenticity

09:17 Why being a Christian business owner isn’t enough

11:28 FDE for Teens — video interlude

12:31 Ministry in deed and word — when it’s time to use both

13:56 Intentionality and the Flourishing Framework at PHOS

15:44 Size, scope, and how PHOS started in a home office

16:14 The journey: From teaching Greek and Latin to 24-person agency

18:40 The Compassion International moment that changed everything

20:15 How God uses new messaging to reach even the most inoculated hearts

21:23 Authentic branding: Who are you at your best?

22:21 How to talk to your team about giving — the honest journey

23:21 2022: The hardest year of Brandon’s life and leadership

24:57 From one sponsored child to vision for a sex trafficking safe house

27:50 The problems of the world can feel daunting — here’s the framework

28:29 “Do for the one what you wish you could do for the many”

30:21 How Brandon found the anti-trafficking cause in his own city

33:09 What dignity really means — and how a safe house hands it back

34:01 Stewarding stories: The little sticker at the headboard of his bed

36:18 How sharing the story unlocks generosity in others

39:37 “It Is Not Your Business to Succeed” — the C.S. Lewis framework

41:02 What it looks like to solve problems together as entrepreneurs

43:39 How to take your first step — even if it’s just $50 a month

46:00 The role of community: C12, FDE Groups, and the people who “get it”

48:42 Closing challenge: Don’t be a consumer — take one step

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Zachary Levi didn’t just star in a movie about a 10-year-old girl who prayed over her land and struck oil—he produced it. Sarah’s Oil is the untold true story of Sarah Rector, a young Black girl in early 1900s Tulsa whose childlike faith turned 160 acres into the largest pure oil reserve in North America. It’s the kind of story Zachary has spent his career searching for: true, excellent, redemptive—and never preachy.

Filmed at SXSW, this conversation goes far beyond the film. Zachary opens up about the darkness he walked through eight years ago when he didn’t want to live anymore, the therapy that deconstructed and rebuilt his faith, and what he now believes about grace. He also unpacks the vision behind Wyldwood—his new independent studio and intentional community designed to answer a broken Hollywood, a fractured culture, and the AI flood rising around all of us.

If you believe that authentic human creativity, redemptive storytelling, and genuine community are worth fighting for, this conversation is for you.

00:00 What Zachary heard from God about Hollywood

01:27 Introduction: SXSW with Zachary Levi

02:19 Sarah’s Oil: The untold true story of Sarah Rector

04:51 She was 10 years old—and she took action

06:24 Childlike faith and the character arc of Burt

07:19 Why this story isn’t in the history books

08:00 Excellence over messaging: how faith gets into storytelling

09:15 The echo chamber problem and playing the long game

09:58 A golden age? How the church is returning to the arts

11:30 Kingdom Story, Wonder Project, Angel Studios—reasons for hope

12:58 Grit, tension, and the Tolkien model of redemptive storytelling

13:52 Zachary’s faith journey: from childhood knowing to adult Pharisee to amazing grace

15:30 Eight years ago: therapy, deconstruction, and not wanting to live

17:55 The identity trap: acting, entrepreneurship, and separating work from worth

18:52 The actor’s process: empathy, method acting, and Daniel Day-Lewis

23:09 The shift from actor to entrepreneur

23:42 Why he thinks he was built more as an engineer than an artist

25:30 Chaotic capitalism and the cost of bottom-line thinking

26:00 God’s call: ride the broken boat, then build a better one

26:24 The Wyldwood vision: factory towns and the Hershey model

28:04 Faith-driven history: Guinness, industrialists, and investing in community

29:14 What’s actually broken in Hollywood—and what Wyldwood solves

30:16 We’ve forgotten where we came from: co-labor, community, and the tribal model

33:35 Designing neighborhoods for connection, not isolation

35:00 Everybody wants to go buy land and build a community

36:28 AI is a biblical flood—and why that’s the reason to build

38:17 We were created to create: why the arts must be preserved

39:00 Organic food and vinyl records: the human hunger for the authentic

40:15 The irony of AI-generated nostalgia and owning your art

41:50 How to connect with Wyldwood and invest in return-on-impact

42:21 Next steps: Wyldwood, Sarah’s Oil, and closing thoughts

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