At 18 years old, Chris Tomlin knew three songs. He’d never led worship, never looked at an audience, and played a week of youth camp off note cards taped to the stage. At the end of that week, the speaker told him two things: you have no idea what you’re doing, and you have no idea how God is going to use your songs all over the world. Then he prayed that God would make Chris a psalm writer for his generation.

Three decades later, Chris sits down with Justin Forman in Nashville to trace what that prayer set in motion. He talks about helping pioneer a category of music that radio stations flatly refused to play, the six years and three albums it took before one song got airtime, and why a songwriter with no template to follow felt a lot like an entrepreneur hacking a trail through a forest. Then the conversation turns to the dream he had years ago — a filled stadium on one side of an intersection, an abandoned baby on the other — and the decade of unrelated moments that finally made sense of it.

Today Chris leads For Others, an organization built to end the foster care crisis in America by connecting the best child welfare organizations, state governments, and donors who want their giving to change population outcomes. He didn’t start another agency. He started with a microphone and a number that wouldn’t leave him alone.

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00:00 “Would you make Chris a psalm writer for his generation”

01:27 Why Chris Tomlin belongs on a faith driven entrepreneur podcast

03:13 God makes the waves, we get to ride them

05:22 What was actually new about this music

05:36 Worship music vs. Christian music in the late 90s

07:47 Songs like arrows out of the bow

09:39 A small East Texas town and a phone call from James

11:54 The prayer that set a 30-year trajectory

13:21 Small steps of faithful obedience

14:31 The machete, the forest, and the entrepreneur

16:41 Three albums before radio would play one song

18:24 Hebrews 13 and the sacrifice of praise

20:55 The dream: a stadium and a baby in the street

23:23 Good Friday Nashville and giving it all away

25:17 “This is in my own backyard”

26:35 400,000 kids. 400,000 churches.

28:45 You don’t have to have it all figured out

30:26 The For Others story

41:03 The beauty and the challenge of bringing everyone to the table

44:46 1.8 million nonprofits and the paralysis problem

47:00 Ending the crisis on our watch

49:32 Getting off the sidelines

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John Maxwell started a leadership tape club in the 1980s with $5, 39 strangers, and a pink label he didn’t choose. Today, EQUIP — the organization that grew out of it — has trained six million leaders in every country in the world, and Maxwell believes it may be the largest quiet evangelism movement on the planet.

Host Justin Forman sits down with Maxwell for a wide-ranging conversation about risk, fences, and what it actually means to steward wealth as a Christian entrepreneur. They cover why insecurity — not disagreement — is what keeps pastors and entrepreneurs from building together, why Maxwell believes real potential only lives outside of safety, and the difference between picking a financial “number” for security versus picking one for significance.

Maxwell also opens up about “crossing over” from 25 years as a pastor into the secular business world, what it cost him in credibility before it paid off, and how EQUIP’s Beyond Success model has led more than four million people to Christ in the last six years — for roughly $4 a soul.

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00:00 The Secret Behind 4 Million Salvations

02:17 The Pink Cassette Tape That Started It All

06:14 The Hat That’s Always Fit Best

09:23 Why Insecurity Keeps Us From Growing

12:37 Why Safety Is the Wrong Goal

15:46 The Richest Person in Heaven

18:40 Heavenly-Minded, Earthly Good

21:01 Blowing Up the Financial Finish Line

24:31 Picking a Number for Significance, Not Security

26:48 Accumulation vs. Stewardship

28:40 Going Upstream: From Symptoms to the Gospel

30:01 The Good News We’re Too Quiet About

33:25 Action Attraction: No Change Without Movement

36:46 The Crossover: From Pulpit to Boardroom

40:07 Earning Trust Before Earning the Right to Share

43:18 Skills First, Then Values: Building EQUIP

46:17 Beyond Success: 191,000 Small Groups

47:44 The Salvation Scoreboard

48:36 Well Done: Populating Heaven Together

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Bobby Gruenewald built YouVersion into the most downloaded Bible app in the world — and he just crossed a milestone of 1 billion installed devices. But in this conversation with Justin Forman, Bobby explains why that number was never the point.

They dig into the funnel metrics behind daily Bible engagement, the donor-funded business model that runs without subscriptions, ads, or data sales, and the “streaks” feature that quietly builds habits into people’s spiritual lives. Bobby also opens up about being discovered as an entrepreneur before he had a business idea, and why stewardship — not ownership — is the mindset behind everything YouVersion builds.

This episode is for any founder trying to build something that outlasts them — with the humility to stay a learner and the conviction to think bigger than “more.”

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00:00 A billion devices — and why it’s not about the number

00:54 Walking into YouVersion’s new headquarters

02:45 The three experiences behind the office exhibit

04:29 The metric YouVersion actually optimizes for: DAU+4

07:27 The research behind “four days a week”

08:52 Inside a donor-funded business model with no subscriptions

12:07 How YouVersion evaluates advertising spend

13:57 Why people really download a Bible app

21:25 The streaks feature and the psychology of habit

24:34 Designing the on-ramp to scripture around a person’s moment

26:20 The talent coming from SpaceX, NASA, Apple, and PayPal

28:56 Why 99% of the team is bought into the mission

30:43 Hiring learners, not experts

32:52 Stewardship vs. ownership — and the parable of the talents

34:44 What actually separates a nonprofit from a for-profit

40:05 Co-serving the local church instead of competing with it

42:30 Why this generation is uniquely positioned to solve big problems

45:24 Reframing responsibility as privilege, not obligation

47:47 Why “more” isn’t a compelling vision — but “bigger” is

52:57 The problem with fear-based fundraising

56:48 Bobby’s teenage backstory — discovered before he had an idea

58:19 What Bobby would tell his 17-year-old self

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Colt McCoy played quarterback at the University of Texas and spent 14 seasons in the NFL before retiring to build a commercial real estate company in Fort Worth.

In this conversation with host Justin Forman, Colt looks back at the injury that nearly cost him everything on the biggest stage of his college career — and the quieter, harder season of walking away from football on his own terms.

This episode covers the national championship injury that reshaped Colt’s sense of identity, what it means to grow up “in a glass box” where everyone is watching, and how he and his wife prayed through the decision to leave the NFL behind.

Colt also opens up about the early, unglamorous grind of starting a business from scratch — and what he wants his new company to be known for.

Whatever season you’re in — starting something new, walking away from something familiar, or rebuilding your sense of who you are — this conversation is a picture of what it looks like to hold tightly to Christ and loosely to everything else.

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00:00 Introduction

01:10 The Story Behind the Name “Colt”

04:34 Learning Leadership as a Young Quarterback

06:33 Faith, Family, and Growing Up in West Texas

10:17 Living in a “Glass Box”

11:02 The Rose Bowl Injury That Changed Everything

15:55 Colossians 3:23 and Finding His Identity

19:44 What the Injury Revealed Years Later

24:56 The Elbow Injury That Ended His NFL Career

26:41 Knowing When It Was Time to Walk Away

30:38 Preparing for the Next Chapter Through Internships

33:34 Praying Through the Transition with His Wife

37:42 From Quarterback to Entrepreneur

41:14 Why Colt Loves Commercial Real Estate

44:53 Building an Entrepreneurial Real Estate Company

48:56 Staying Balanced When Faith Is Tested

53:36 What Colt Wants to Be Known For

58:06 Living an Undivided Life

59:38 The Hope That Never Wavers

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Finny Kuruvilla still wears the jacket his mom bought him for medical school interviews in 1994 — and it’s not because he can’t afford a new one. It’s the same conviction that built Eventide, the $7.5 billion investment firm he co-founded on a single, radical idea: investing is ownership, and ownership carries responsibility.

In this conversation with Justin Forman, Finny traces that conviction from a college Bible study on tunics, through a decade of quietly investing on the side as an MD-PhD student, to leading a team of 22 analysts and portfolio managers who screen companies for both financial performance and human flourishing. Along the way, he unpacks how he and his wife are raising nine kids on zero screens and family worship streaks, why he thinks “the powers that be” today are algorithms rather than nations, and why studying immunology in med school was the most worshipful moment of his life.

This episode is a case study in wholeness — what it looks like when faith isn’t compartmentalized into Sunday mornings but shapes a closet, a portfolio, and a household all the same way. If you’ve ever wondered whether simplicity, capital, and calling can actually hold together, this conversation makes the case that they have to.

Disclosure: Finny Kuruvilla is the Co-Chief Investment Officer at Eventide Asset Management, LLC. Views expressed in this podcast are intended for information purposes and do not constitute investment advice. Eventide does not provide tax, accounting, or legal advice. Eventide’s values-based approach to investing may not produce desired results and could result in underperformance compared with other investments. There is no guarantee that any investment will achieve its objectives, generate positive returns, or avoid losses. Assets under management data is as of 02/12/2026.

00:00 Cold open: capital and the powers that be

01:35 Finny’s vision for Eventide’s “common good”

05:21 The Eventide thesis: investing is ownership

10:21 Western privilege and the weight of capital

13:32 “One Jacket Finny” and the story behind it

14:25 The Bible verse that reshaped his closet

15:43 His son’s $20 question about Gaza

16:58 Raising nine kids with zero screens

18:24 The family worship streak that hit 200 days

21:00 Meet the Kuruvilla family: nine kids, one rhythm

23:20 The mutual fund full of tobacco stocks that started it all

26:48 Eventide today: $7.5 billion and 75 people

28:16 Who really holds power now

32:45 The Great Commission, Commandment, and Cultivation

39:00 Why denominations silo their gifts

42:45 How Finny actually hears from God

46:15 AI, Neuralink, and a scary decade ahead

47:50 The blood test that catches cancer early

54:32 When secular voices preach biblical truth

56:23 Why nobody explains what medicine actually costs

59:13 The stories that build trust

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Chip Ingram has spent decades pastoring some of the most driven, high-capacity leaders in the country — and he’s convinced the church has been telling entrepreneurs the wrong story about their ambition. In this conversation recorded at South by Southwest, Chip and host Justin Forman unpack what it actually looks like to lead boldly without losing your soul.

They dig into the mutual intimidation between pastors and entrepreneurs, the discipleship process Chip built to develop marketplace leaders instead of recruiting them into church programs, and the word Chip and Justin coin together — “humbition” — for holding ambition and humility at the same time. The conversation moves into servant leadership, God’s sovereignty versus human responsibility, and why sharing failure builds more trust than sharing success ever will.

Chip closes with a redefinition of love as a covenant choice rather than a feeling — and why every entrepreneur needs a small circle of people who have permission to tell them the truth.

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CHAPTERS

00:00 Cold open — the secret to servant leadership

01:17 How God has been building this wave for 30 years

03:02 Why pastors and entrepreneurs intimidate each other

06:49 Building a church around entrepreneurial leaders

08:04 Measuring impact, not numbers

12:16 The theology behind ambition and greatness

14:55 Coining “humbition”

16:04 Getting permission to dream big

19:57 What servant leadership actually means

20:26 Why ego has to die

22:47 God’s sovereignty and human responsibility

25:37 Why nobody wants to talk about their failures

30:02 Breakthrough is born from brokenness

33:52 Redefining love as a choice, not a feeling

40:18 Finding a safe place to be truly known

43:41 Closing challenge — find your people

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Faith Driven Entrepreneur is an educational platform hosted by Faith Driven Movements, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization whose mission is to inspire, educate, and mobilize people to use their time, talents and other resources in the marketplace. Faith Driven Movements brings together leaders from around the world that seek to make a financial, social, environmental and spiritual impact through their business ventures. The website is intended to be an opportunity to exchange ideas for educational purposes. Faith Driven Movements is not responsible for the opinions, advice, statements, materials, presentations, data, images, videos, documentation and other information (collectively, the “Materials”) expressed or otherwise shared by guest contributors (including without limitation podcast guests, conference speakers, guest writers, participating companies and investment professionals). The Materials are for informational purposes only, and the statements, views and opinions expressed at any presentation or in any Materials are those solely of the presenter and not of Faith Driven Movements. Hosts and Guests may maintain positions in the companies and securities discussed. Further, Faith Driven Movements does not endorse or recommend any presenter, promoter, investment advisor, strategy, company or any views mentioned at any conference or in the Materials. Under no circumstances will Faith Driven Movements (or their respective trustees, directors, officers, employees, or agents) be liable for the accuracy, quality or reliability of any of the presentations or Materials, any defamatory, offensive, or illegal conduct of presenters, or any direct, indirect, incidental, special or consequential damages arising from any presentations or Materials. By visiting the site you agree to comply with the Terms of Use, Privacy Policy and Code of Conduct.