A couple commits $5 million to fund the Jesus Film. The very next year, they go bankrupt. When asked if they regretted it, they said it was the best investment they ever made—because 45 years later, 650 million people have said “I’ll follow Jesus” after watching that film. That’s what Kingdom generosity looks like.

John Rinehart, author and founder of Gospel Patrons, joins Justin Forman to uncover the hidden thread of generosity running through every great move of God in history. From the cloth merchant who secretly funded William Tyndale’s illegal Bible translation, to the aristocratic woman who bankrolled Whitefield and Wesley, to the businessman who turned John Newton’s hymns into Amazing Grace—the pattern is unmistakable: behind every great ministry, there’s a gospel patron.

John shares his own journey from a 25-year-old businessman asking “what’s all this for?” to taking a 132-day trip around the world to discover his calling. Together, he and Justin explore the three enemies of Christian generosity, expose the lies the world tells about wealth, and reveal why focused, intentional giving—not scattered, reactive giving—is the quickest path to joy there is.

00:00 Opening story: The Jesus Film and Bunker & Caroline Hunt

01:12 Welcome to the FDE Podcast: Generosity and the roots of the movement

02:07 Where we are now: The third generation of the generosity movement

03:58 Naming the villains: The world, the flesh, and the devil

06:49 Unmasking the lie: The world’s definition of wealth vs. Jesus’s

08:49 Serving one and a half masters: The danger of splitting allegiance

09:28 The early church in Acts 2 and Acts 4: Radical generosity as normal Christianity

10:43 Is Jesus our true treasure? What our bank accounts reveal

11:30 The detox move: Extreme measures and naming greed as greed

12:48 The rich young ruler: What if he had said yes?

13:55 Giving as losing vs. giving as winning: Impossible to lose

15:23 Gospel patron stories: Tyndale’s cloth merchant, Amazing Grace, the Jesus Film

18:23 Seeds vs. silos: Scattering vs. storing

19:27 Jesus himself was funded by gospel patrons (Luke 8)

21:45 Business leaders and ministry leaders: Equal partners by God’s design

22:35 John’s journey: From second-class Christian to gospel patron

23:46 Warning: Ananias and Sapphira—guarding your heart in giving

27:27 John’s personal story: How generosity found him at 25

28:42 Seminary, 132 days around the world, and meeting a gospel patron in Sydney

30:35 The data: Science confirms what Jesus said 2,000 years ago

31:52 The nameless boy with loaves and fish: Being part of the wave God builds

32:37 You can fund Vietnam and still live in Dallas: The reach of generosity

34:09 Focused vs. scattered giving: Finding your fight

35:05 The three marks of a gospel patron: Financially invested, personally involved

37:41 It’s not a check—it’s a team: The joy of going deep

38:07 Call to action: Find your story, find your squad, get in the fight

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What if your business isn’t just a platform for the gospel—what if it is the gospel? Pastor JD Greear joins Justin Forman at South by Southwest to make a case that’s both theologically sharp and practically urgent: entrepreneurs are the tip of the gospel spear, and the church needs to start treating them that way.

JD unpacks his five-characteristic framework from Everyday Revolutionary—Creation Fulfilling, Holiness Reflecting, Excellence Pursuing, Redemption Displaying, and Mission Advancing—and shows how every one of these applies to any entrepreneur, in any industry, in any city. He draws from Daniel, Acts 11, and his own church’s hard data to demonstrate that Kingdom impact through the marketplace is not a secondary calling. It’s the primary front line.

This conversation also gets practical for pastors. JD shares the sermon that beat out his annual sex sermon for most downloads, Summit Church’s stunning 50-to-1 return on church planting investment, and the simple reframe that could change how your church sees—and serves—its entrepreneurs.

00:00 Opening: The first interface of gospel and culture

01:07 Reflecting on 20 years of faith and work conversation

02:09 Leslie Newbigin and the missionary shift

03:04 The Great Commission vs. the First Commission

04:18 How the faith and work movement has evolved

05:04 The 10/40 window as a door for entrepreneurs

05:45 Nehemiah’s three waves: spiritual, governmental, economic

06:19 Bringing Kingdom blessings into the workplace

06:45 Introducing Everyday Revolutionary and Daniel’s model

07:34 Daniel’s credibility: quiet excellence, loud testimony

07:34 The trust gap: entrepreneurs at 65-70% vs. institutions

08:25 Daniel and the lion’s den: being indispensable to Babylon

10:53 How to see the everyday revolutionary as the better way

11:10 Grace and truth: both full, not half-and-half

11:59 Two miles of ditch: the danger of truth without grace

12:54 What does this look like for an entrepreneur?

13:26 Five characteristics of a faithful marketplace witness

14:05 Creation Fulfilling: tasting worship in the work itself

15:20 The Chariots of Fire moment: feeling God’s pleasure

15:20 Holiness Reflecting and Excellence Pursuing

16:26 Redemption Displaying: you’re saved by grace, not employed by grace

17:14 The Madison Avenue intern story

18:22 Mission Advancing: standing before kings

20:09 Revolutionary faithfulness in a loud world

21:13 What pastors need to do right now

22:32 Entrepreneurs as the tip of the gospel spear

22:32 Acts 11: the unnamed “them” who changed history

25:35 Applying ROI thinking to Kingdom investment

27:30 Summit’s church planting data: 50 to 1 return

28:53 Chick-fil-A and for-profit Kingdom impact

30:18 The both/and: proclamation and presence

31:09 Tim Keller on staying right where the gospel is

31:55 Closing gratitude and encouragement to entrepreneurs

32:42 Call to action: Everyday Revolutionary

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What does it look like when God owns not just your business, but your suffering, your family, and your calling? Chad Spencer—entrepreneur, Ashley Furniture dealer, and co-founder of For Others—found out the hard way. From a Memphis apartment where three girls slept on one sleeping bag, to a hospital room at rock bottom with a book he didn’t plan to open, his story is what happens when an entrepreneur stops trying to manage God and starts listening to Him.

Chad traces a journey that runs from founding Beds for Kids in 2005 (now nearly 200,000 beds given nationwide through Ashley’s Hope to Dream program) through a decade of infertility, two failed adoptions, a business in freefall, and a premature baby born with life-threatening complications—all hitting in the same 90-day stretch. He shares how God used that breaking point to recalibrate everything: his leadership, his marriage, his purpose, and ultimately his calling to tackle the foster care crisis in America alongside worship artist Chris Tomlin through For Others.

The business mind Chad brings to this conversation is striking. He doesn’t just talk about caring—he talks about vision, path, leadership, team, and execution. When he realized there are over 400,000 kids in foster care and over 400,000 churches in America, the math hit him the same way a good business problem does: this is solvable. Tune in for one of the most honest, practical, and spiritually grounded conversations on what it means to be a faith-driven entrepreneur in the fullest sense of that phrase.

00:00 Cold open: Single moms and kids without beds

00:33 Welcome and Chad’s introduction

01:34 The ABC Home Makeover contest that started it all

03:20 God’s call: Business as a mission field

04:49 The moment Beds for Kids was born

06:12 How Beds for Kids became Ashley’s Hope to Dream

07:02 For Others video: The foster care crisis in America

10:14 Connecting the businesses to the bigger mission

10:23 A decade of infertility and failed adoptions

12:03 The weight of watching your wife suffer

13:00 Telling Kelly: “I will not go back to work until He is enough”

15:24 Number 16 on the Kenya list — and then Lisa

17:11 The employee God placed at the company

18:06 The Olive Garden meeting — and a gastroschisis diagnosis

19:56 Rock bottom: Business collapsing in real time

21:29 The hospital closet, 100 books, and Tim Keller

23:09 Worship music, tears, and a prayer in a hospital room

25:00 Romans 8 and the voice of God

26:20 “Hey babe, we have a son” — naming Mac

27:53 15 months in the hospital and what Chad began to see

28:32 When entrepreneurs stop armchair quarterbacking

30:30 Fear of failure, hubris, and losing sight of why

31:35 “How’s your soul?” — the question that cracked him open

32:55 Guard your heart — the wellspring of life

34:46 Motivation is a breath mint; purpose is a pillar

36:00 The Great Shema and building an org around heart and soul

36:40 Stepping into For Others: Meeting Chris Tomlin on a plane

39:14 The VPLTR framework applied to the foster care crisis

40:47 400,000 kids. 400,000 churches. One per church.

42:15 The data problem in the foster care system

43:49 Curating best-in-class providers and scaling them

44:30 Defining the problem: Prevent, provide, prepare

46:58 Root causes of kids bouncing through 8+ placements

49:32 The matching problem — and a Tennessee Christmas story

50:42 Governor Lee and getting kids out of government buildings

53:12 Why billions spent hasn’t solved it — and what’s different now

54:48 Five-star families and CRM thinking for foster care

56:21 Street by street, county by county — and the church’s moment

57:14 A bigger table: Entrepreneurs, investors, influencers, athletes

59:00 Solving the world’s greatest problems — visit solving.org

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What happens when two people who used to hate each other decide to throw a Bible on the table and say, ‘That’s the rule book—find something I’m not doing and I’ll repent’? For John and Ashley Marsh, it became the beginning of one of the most unlikely and beautiful Kingdom stories you’ll hear. Filmed at Main Street Summit, this conversation with host Justin Forman goes deep on what it actually takes to build a marriage, raise a family, and run a business with God at the center—and what happens when you don’t.

John and Ash share the ‘vision vs. division’ dynamic that silently destroys marriages—and the tools they use to stay unified, including a Sunday afternoon spreadsheet review they call ‘engineered heated fellowship.’ They unpack the hat analogy for married entrepreneurs, what happened when John publicly dishonored Ash in front of their whole team (and how she responded), and the $7 million decision made without alignment that became their costliest lesson. Whether you’re building a business solo or with your spouse, this episode will challenge you to examine who’s really on the throne.

The Marsh Collective has now seen 210+ marriages reconciled through their work. This is what Kingdom-minded marriage and entrepreneurship looks like when it’s grounded in Scripture, honest about failure, and full of hope.

00:00 Who’s on the throne of your marriage?

01:16 Red glasses and knowing your role (the toolbox analogy)

03:49 Thank you to the FDE community — the impact of vulnerability

04:40 ‘It was a privilege to make the wrong choices’ — Ash on gratitude

05:01 Ambassadors of hope — stewarding a broken story

06:21 210 marriages reconciled: What this ministry looks like

09:34 The split screen: Inches apart but miles away

10:22 Vision vs. division — why couples think they’re unified when they’re not

11:38 The only thing that healed their marriage

12:39 Who’s on the throne of the marriage — not just the individual

13:57 The hat analogy: Married, parent, and business partner

14:55 Cultural hats we never chose — and how to identify them

16:38 Hats we adopt without realizing it

17:47 How EOS and Rocket Fuel language applies at home

18:58 ‘Engineered heated fellowship’ — the Sunday afternoon weekly meeting

20:03 Asking for the hat — CEO vs. mom in real time

21:05 Asking for care vs. critique — naming what you need

22:33 Expectations as ‘unvoiced demands’

23:07 The more roles, the greater the tension — the father-in-law story

25:19 Ash confronts John about dishonoring her in front of the team

27:35 John receives correction and repents publicly before the company

29:39 Faith plus nothing, repentance plus nothing

30:07 Brave conversations and the courage to deliver what God shows you

31:40 The Sunday afternoon spreadsheet: How it works

34:52 Integrated calendars, the Five F’s, and measuring what matters

37:39 How Sunday’s meeting shapes Monday for the whole team

40:30 The $7 million decision — and the lesson it left

42:05 Closing encouragement — are you and your spouse aligned?

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What does a free safety’s job of reading offensive plays have to do with the schemes the enemy runs against entrepreneurs? Everything. Derwin Gray — former NFL Pro Bowler, pastor of Transformation Church, and author — joins Justin Forman to expose the identity trap that sends high-achieving entrepreneurs spiraling, and to lay out the only playbook that actually leads to freedom.

Derwin draws on neuroscience, his own on-field and off-field breakdowns, and decades of pastoral ministry to show why entrepreneurs are uniquely wired to outrun their wounds — and uniquely positioned to stop. Whether you’re succeeding on paper but broken at home, or simply can’t turn the engine off, this conversation is for you.

From intercepting Steve Young and body-slamming Dan Marino to hitting rock bottom on all fours in a hotel hallway — and finding Christ in a dorm room at Anderson University — Derwin’s story is the most important play he’s ever walked through. And he’s sharing it for entrepreneurs who are ready to stop running.

00:00 Opening: Diagnosing the plays the dark powers run against us

01:04 Derwin’s football origin story: San Antonio to BYU

03:19 The dream that predicted three interceptions — a record that still stands

04:52 From BYU to the NFL: When the dream became a nightmare

07:11 August 2nd, 1997: The dorm room where everything changed

09:54 Identity formation and the trap of performance

10:22 Idolatry: Finding worth in what you do vs. what God has done

12:32 Reading the defense: How football trained Derwin to diagnose spiritual schemes

14:46 Why fans study football details — and what happens when we apply that to life

15:08 Walking in the spirit is being present to the Holy Spirit’s power

16:33 Shame and guilt: The “chilt” culture running plays against us

17:43 Trauma, the nervous system, and why naming your wounds matters

19:00 Why entrepreneurs are the worst at healing — and the most beautiful

21:25 Running to something vs. running from something

22:08 The hardest hit of Derwin’s NFL career — and it wasn’t on the field

24:40 BUSY: Being Under Satan’s Yoke

26:49 Neuroscience, neural pathways, and what Paul knew 2,000 years ago

29:01 The lie that your thoughts will go away once you follow Jesus

30:29 What Jesus modeled when tempted: “As it is written”

31:02 What becomes possible when pastors and entrepreneurs unite

34:41 Mutual intimidation between pastors and business leaders

36:00 Why mediocrity is tolerated in the church — and shouldn’t be

38:12 Closing: Scripture for entrepreneurs who need to call a timeout

38:51 Galatians 2:20 and why your significance is already settled

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Only 17% of Americans say they find a great deal of meaning and purpose at work. Loneliness is rising. Depression is climbing. And somehow, the wealthiest societies on earth are flourishing less than middle-income ones. John Coleman — investor at Sovereign’s Capital, 15-year Harvard Business Review contributor, and author of Good Money — has spent his career asking why. And the answer, it turns out, has always been hiding in plain sight.

John joins Justin Forman for an expansive conversation on what it means to have a healthy relationship with money. His book Good Money presents a comprehensive framework covering earning, spending, giving, investing, and saving — and grounds each in both cutting-edge research on human flourishing and the ancient wisdom of Scripture. The Bible mentions money over 2,300 times, and modern research is now catching up to what it’s always said.

Entrepreneurs especially will want to hear John’s take on the hedonic treadmill, the financial finish line, and why setting a cap on lifestyle spending isn’t giving up — it’s a turbocharge for your business, your generosity, and your purpose.

00:00 The crisis of meaning: 17% engaged, 17% finding purpose

01:42 Fun facts: Chess champs and speech team nerds

03:07 Why structuring thought is the most important skill in business

04:25 Why John wrote Good Money and what led him there

05:18 The two streams: Human flourishing research + investor life

07:20 The Bible, 2,300 references, and the love of money

08:36 The Good Money framework: Six areas of your financial life

09:20 The Harvard human flourishing model: 5 intrinsics explained

10:52 The financial finish line conversation: Alan Barnhart, Casey Crawford, Henry

11:35 How hedonic adaptation works — and the John D. Rockefeller quote

13:20 Dostoevsky’s warning: How Much Land Can a Man Need?

14:46 Clayton Christensen: 100% is easier than 98%

16:55 How the finish line turbocharged generosity for Alan, Casey, and Henry

17:44 Why consumption traps burn people out faster than ambition ever could

19:30 Compounding generosity: The ripple effect of deploying capital well

20:05 Faith as the anchor — why Christian community changes behavior

21:00 Generosity stats: Only 4 in 10 Americans give anything at all

22:15 The physical benefits of generosity: mortality, dementia, heart attack, stroke

23:00 No success without significance — why waiting to give is a deception

25:28 Why wealthy societies flourish less: Results from Harvard, Baylor & Gallup

27:53 Longevity, money, and the gospel — meeting people where they are

31:40 The investor mindset: Why entrepreneurs must see the bounce

33:47 Entrepreneurs as salt and light — why withdrawing cedes the territory

35:31 Building accountability: Who needs to be in your money conversation

36:28 Finding advisors whose values are aligned with yours

38:30 Teaching your kids about money — and why they’ll hold you accountable

40:36 Call to action: Grab the book and start the conversation today

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