Episode 387 – 49% of Teens Want to Start a Business | David Kinnaman | Ep. 387

Episode 387 – 49% of Teens Want to Start a Business | David Kinnaman | Ep. 387

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Episode 387 – 49% of Teens Want to Start a Business | David Kinnaman | Ep. 387

Half of all U.S. teenagers say they already have a business idea they’re passionate about pursuing. That’s the headline finding host Justin Forman digs into with David Kinnaman, CEO of Barna Group, in this data-rich conversation about a generation quietly gearing up to build.

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Nearly half of America’s teenagers already have a business idea they can’t stop thinking about. David Kinnaman, CEO of Barna Group, joins Justin Forman to unpack brand-new research on what’s driving this generation of builders — and why the church has a once-in-a-generation opportunity to disciple them well.

David walks through the numbers: entrepreneurially minded teens are 85% more likely to feel hopeful about the future, 148% more likely to feel called to their work, and 88% more likely to already have a mentor. But that same drive comes with real pressure — many of these same teens feel pushed to chase goals someone else chose for them.

Drawing on the story of Daniel in Babylon, David makes the case for a “theology of influence” — preparing young people for a level of impact no one can fully predict. Justin and David also dig into what it means to raise kids in “digital Babylon,” where technology built to capture attention is quietly shaping identity long before a first business plan ever gets written.

This is Part 1 of a two-part conversation. Watch the full episode on YouTube or continue to stream audio on your favorite podcast platform.

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction: Half of teens have a business idea

01:07 Legos, Shark Tank, and the roots of entrepreneurship

08:37 Meet Zach: raising an entrepreneurial son

10:08 The data: 49% of teens have a business idea

12:59 A theology of influence: what Daniel teaches us

19:50 Parents’ fear and the age of AI

25:50 Identity formation in a disintermediated world

30:30 Inside the numbers: hope, pressure, and calling

39:09 Why mentorship changes everything

43:46 Growing up in “Digital Babylon”

50:57 Handwritten notes and the church’s next opportunity

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Episode 386 – Scaling Poppi: Farmers Market to $2B Pepsi Exit | Stephen Ellsworth

Episode 386 – Scaling Poppi: Farmers Market to $2B Pepsi Exit | Stephen Ellsworth

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Episode 386 – Scaling Poppi: Farmers Market to $2B Pepsi Exit | Stephen Ellsworth

A $2 billion exit sounds like the finish line. For Stephen Ellsworth, co-founder of Poppi, it was the start of one of the hardest seasons of his life. Stephen sits down with Justin Forman to unpack the full arc of Poppi’s story — from a Dallas farmers market and a Wyoming kitchen, to Shark Tank, to becoming one of the largest exits in beverage history when PepsiCo acquired the company.

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A $2 billion exit sounds like the finish line. For Stephen Ellsworth, co-founder of Poppi, it was the start of one of the hardest seasons of his life. Stephen sits down with Justin Forman to unpack the full arc of Poppi’s story — from a Dallas farmers market and a Wyoming kitchen, to Shark Tank, to becoming one of the largest exits in beverage history when PepsiCo acquired the company.

Stephen gets specific about the decisions that mattered most: rewriting Poppi’s formula a week before pitching on Shark Tank, the internal fight over whether to market Poppi as a health tonic or a soda, and the moment his team turned down a $1 billion offer because the deal — and later a $1.65 billion offer — didn’t feel right. He’s just as candid about what came after the money hit the bank account: an unexpected identity crisis, isolation, and a season of learning to sit still.

The conversation closes on what’s next — a season Stephen calls “preferment,” not retirement — and how a faith that had gone dormant since his teenage years was reawakened through the entrepreneurial journey itself, from a providential tax refund to the conviction to walk away from money that didn’t align with what felt right.

Chapters:

00:00 Cold open: reflecting on a $2 billion exit

01:07 From farmers market to a $2 billion Pepsi exit

02:21 When “better for you” also has to taste good

03:43 Apple cider vinegar, marriage, and the taste breakthrough

05:30 Rewriting the formula one week before Shark Tank

06:17 From taste to nutrition: the customer journey

06:43 White cans vs. colored cans: the branding pivot

08:09 Scaling through Shark Tank and beyond

08:27 Explosive growth: $3 million to $500 million

10:15 Pepsi’s first offer — and why they walked away

12:02 The hard truth about the day after the exit

12:34 Two distinct days: signing vs. the money hitting

16:29 FDE Foundation Groups

17:27 A new season: “not retirement, it’s preferment”

20:31 The awkward gap between wealth and generosity

22:10 Setting up a Donor Advised Fund and vetting nonprofits

23:57 Bringing entrepreneurial thinking to giving

24:16 From Mormon roots to a faith reawakened by entrepreneurship

27:45 Walking away from a $1.65 billion offer

28:14 Meeting the Holy Spirit in the entrepreneurial journey

29:13 Closing thoughts and how to take action

30:25 FDE Foundation Groups closing message

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Episode 385 – Why Most Entrepreneurs Are Lonely (And How to Fix It) | Mark Grunden & Addison Williams

Episode 385 – Why Most Entrepreneurs Are Lonely (And How to Fix It) | Mark Grunden & Addison Williams

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Episode 385 – Why Most Entrepreneurs Are Lonely (And How to Fix It) | Mark Grunden & Addison Williams

What happens when you stop talking about entrepreneurship being lonely — and just show people the proof? Recorded live at FDE’s annual staff retreat, Justin Forman sits down with Mark Grunden and Addison Williams to unpack real footage from Faith Driven Entrepreneur Groups meeting in living rooms, churches, and Zoom calls around the world.

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What happens when you stop talking about entrepreneurship being lonely — and just show people the proof? Recorded live at FDE’s annual staff retreat, Justin Forman sits down with Mark Grunden and Addison Williams to unpack real footage from Faith Driven Entrepreneur Groups meeting in living rooms, churches, and Zoom calls around the world.

From a London entrepreneur now supporting a community of 260 business owners, to a 57-campus church network in Nairobi, Kenya that has folded the FDE Foundation course into its entire discipleship program, this episode is packed with evidence that community changes everything for a founder. Mark and Addison break down exactly who these groups reach — team leaders, intrapreneurs, franchisees, tech founders — and why leading one takes no certification, just a willingness to open a space.

Whether you’re an entrepreneur who’s never felt fully known in a small group, or a church leader wondering how to serve the business owners in your congregation, this conversation lays out a simple, ready-to-go next step.

Chapters:

00:00 Cold open: Why community and depth happen fast among entrepreneurs

00:59 Welcome from the annual staff retreat

01:53 Video: Real stories from FDE Groups around the world

08:18 Reflecting on the video: entrepreneurship as a lonely journey

09:47 Who FDE Groups reach: team leaders, intrapreneurs, franchisees, tech founders

12:21 Why entrepreneurs let their guard down together

15:10 Balance vs. managing priorities as an entrepreneur

17:00 Mark’s Saddleback story: the overlooked ministry

19:44 Why entrepreneurs go deep, fast

20:26 The John and Ashley Marsh story that breaks down walls

24:07 What it actually takes to lead a Foundation Group

25:44 FDE Video: how to host a group at your church

26:37 It’s accessible — no certification required

29:11 Two kinds of leaders: the “exited” and the “just a few years ahead”

30:58 Giving back: from C12 to FDE

32:55 From small group to church-wide movement

35:03 The support system behind every group

36:21 Case studies: Menlo Park Church and a 57-campus church in Nairobi

38:59 It starts with one invitation

40:07 Final encouragement: lean in and lead

41:51 Join the movement at faithdrivenentrepreneur.org

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Episode 384 – Why Authenticity Is Your Best Marketing Move in the Age of AI | Christian Pinkston

Episode 384 – Why Authenticity Is Your Best Marketing Move in the Age of AI | Christian Pinkston

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Episode 384 – Why Authenticity Is Your Best Marketing Move in the Age of AI | Christian Pinkston

Join host Justin Forman for a conversation with Christian Pinkston, CEO of the PR and marketing firm Pinkston, that starts with a simple question about marketing in the age of AI and ends somewhere far deeper: a near-drowning in the Persian Gulf, a camel accident in the Egyptian desert three days later, and a voice from God that Christian says he’ll never forget.

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A near-drowning in the Persian Gulf. A camel accident in the Egyptian desert three days later. And in between, a voice Christian Pinkston says was unmistakably God’s. The CEO of PR and marketing firm Pinkston joins Justin Forman for a conversation that starts with a question about marketing in the AI era and ends up somewhere far more personal: the 45-year identity Christian built on performance, the shame underneath it, and the grace — not the cheap kind — that rebuilt him.

Christian opens up about growing up in Texas after his parents’ divorce, the “soundtrack” of never being good enough, and how he learned to perform his way into looking impressive to everyone around him — including his own wife. He shares, in raw detail, the night in Dubai when a riptide nearly took his life, and the accident in Cairo three days later that left him unconscious with a fractured skull. It’s in a hospital bed, alone and unable to communicate with anyone around him, that he says God finally got his full attention.

Justin and Christian also talk shop: how AI has supercharged content creation while eroding trust, why story is the foundation of every real relationship in business, and why the guiding principles Christian built his marketing firm on — like “people matter most” and “exceed expectations” — trace directly back to his faith. The conversation closes with why Christian now spends his time mentoring young men, helping them find an identity rooted in Christ instead of performance.

Chapters:

00:00 A near-death encounter in the Persian Gulf

01:38 What does marketing even mean today?

03:23 Campfires, story, and the shadow it casts

04:48 How AI is reshaping — and eroding trust in — marketing

08:18 “Tell me your story”: the first question in every conversation

10:10 45 years without seeing what stood in the way

11:18 Growing up in Texas: abandonment, shame, and a false identity

13:00 The riptide: a near-drowning in Dubai

16:30 Three days later: a camel accident in the Egyptian desert

19:00 Alone in a Cairo hospital, God speaks

24:25 Naming it: shame

26:40 The blinders removed: an Old Testament parallel

27:13 Why the Holy Spirit often works through pain

28:26 How God sees you: the gospel of undeserved grace

30:31 “I was blind”: survival, performance, and addiction to being impressive

32:05 The long road to gratitude for the pruning

33:17 The call to speak to young men — and his wife’s push

36:44 Pouring into young men ever since

37:01 “The hero of that story is you. But we’re not the hero.”

40:36 Why we need to tell the stories of brokenness, not just success

42:14 Being the same man at the breakfast table and in the boardroom

45:47 Closing: the authenticity that starts here

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Episode 383 – Why Your Leadership Pipeline Is Failing | David Ashcraft | Global Leadership Network

Episode 383 – Why Your Leadership Pipeline Is Failing | David Ashcraft | Global Leadership Network

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Episode 383 – Why Your Leadership Pipeline Is Failing | David Ashcraft | Global Leadership Network

What if the most widely accepted strategy for developing leaders in your church or business is fundamentally broken? In this episode, Justin Forman sits down with Pastor David Ashcraft, former lead pastor of LCBC Church, which grew to 25 locations and 28,000 weekend attendees, now serving with the Global Leadership Network. David pulls no punches: the leadership pipeline is a myth. What replaces it is a culture, one that produces leaders from within, in real time.

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77% of pastors say their number one need is more leaders. But the most common strategy for solving it, the leadership pipeline, has never actually worked. David Ashcraft knows this firsthand: he grew LCBC Church from a 200-person plant in Pennsylvania to 25 locations and 28,000 weekend attendees, developing 275 of his 300 staff members from within the congregation. His secret wasn’t a pipeline. It was a culture.

Now serving with the Global Leadership Network, home of the Global Leadership Summit, which reaches roughly 400,000 leaders annually across 1,120 sites worldwide, David brings hard-won clarity to the questions every pastor and entrepreneur is asking: How do you actually develop leaders? How do you know when your bench is deep enough to scale? And how do you measure what matters without becoming a box-checker?

Justin and David also unpack the broader faith-work movement, the evolution from the 1980s financial stewardship conversation through today’s marketplace integration, and why the Global Leadership Summit may be your church’s best tool to identify, develop, and deploy the leaders already sitting in your pews.

Chapters:

00:00 The leadership myth that’s failing churches everywhere

01:51 LCBC’s origin: Friendliness as a Kingdom strategy in the Northeast

03:17 Growing from 200 to 28,000: How LCBC learned from businesses

06:46 The leadership pipeline: Why it’s a myth

09:20 What business leaders in your church really want

12:48 The leadership development culture: What actually works

14:47 Just-in-time training: The military model applied to the church

16:40 Measuring your bench: When are you ready to launch a campus?

18:53 History of the faith-work movement: From Burkett to GLN

23:25 Inside the Global Leadership Summit: Jim Collins, Andy Stanley & more

25:24 The church as a first step: How GLN breaks down walls

28:26 Business leaders need more than parking vests—how to truly engage them

31:58 New voices in leadership: Julio and the Houston restaurant model

35:18 Who is GLN for? Partners, attendees, and the church-business bridge

38:32 Going together: Why collective summit attendance accelerates culture

39:08 The future: Ministry happens everywhere, not just on Sunday

41:15 Data-informed but Spirit-led: The tension every leader must hold

46:11 Measure the fruit, not just the process

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Episode 382 – Why Every Entrepreneur Gets Generosity Wrong | John Cortines

Episode 382 – Why Every Entrepreneur Gets Generosity Wrong | John Cortines

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Episode 382 – Why Every Entrepreneur Gets Generosity Wrong | John Cortines

Host Justin Forman sits down with John Cortines, author, generosity advocate, and a leader at the Maclellan Foundation, to unpack the heart transformation at the core of every faith-driven entrepreneur’s relationship with money. Recorded at the Kingdom Advisors conference, this conversation begins in a Harvard Business School Bible study and ends with a vision for professionally managed giving funds that could rival the mutual fund industry in scale.

EPISODE NOTES

What would happen if the most driven, wealth-building people in the room completely rethought their relationship with money? John Cortines knows, because he lived it. From a Harvard MBA student whose bank password was literally “retire@40!” to a leader at a globally active giving fund, John’s journey from saver to generous giver is as practical as it is transformational.

In this episode recorded live at Kingdom Advisors, John walks through the two questions that reframe everything: not “How much do I need to give?” but “How much do I really need to keep?” He unpacks the four heart conditions (pride, coveting, anxiety, and indifference) and their gospel antidotes: gratitude, contentment, trust, and love. Drawing from King David and King Nebuchadnezzar as the ultimate biblical contrast, John shows how subtle pronoun shifts reveal where our hearts really are.

John also casts a bold vision: professionally managed giving funds becoming as mainstream and accessible as index funds, so busy entrepreneurs can give with the same rigor and joy they bring to investing. Don’t miss this one.

Chapters:

00:00 The Nebuchadnezzar vs. David contrast on wealth

00:52 Introducing John Cortines: family, farm, and faith

03:11 The journey into generosity: Harvard, Chevron, and a Bible study

05:00 The wrong question Christians ask about money

07:02 Flipping the script: How much do I need to keep?

08:04 Studying generosity with student loan debt

10:21 Why secular effective altruism felt joyless

12:42 Missing the prayer component in collective impact

13:37 Financial finish lines: lifestyle and net worth guardrails

15:14 The shadow side of entrepreneurial ambition

16:00 True Riches: the four heart conditions around money

17:28 Pride—and why pronouns matter for entrepreneurs

18:49 Nebuchadnezzar vs. King David: the pronoun test

19:57 Practical gratitude: what it looks like daily

21:25 Coveting and contentment: the mansion test

23:35 Social media and the battle for contentment

25:47 Anxiety to trust: seeking first the Kingdom

29:42 Indifference to love: the hardest heart shift

33:07 Going on the generosity offensive: collective giving

35:28 Joining God’s heart for the global poor

37:02 Professionally managed giving funds: the vision

39:14 From mutual funds to giving funds: a tsunami shift

42:06 The joy of community in collective generosity

44:13 Celebrating gifts with your family

45:24 First step for busy entrepreneurs: offer the 100%

46:51 Closing encouragement and next steps

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