— by Peter Greer

Waking at 2 a.m., I (Peter) heard Laurel rush to the restroom. Groggily, I entered the bathroom to rub her back while she bent over the toilet. “Can I get you anything?” I tenderly asked. Hearing no response, I continued, “Cold towel? Pepto?” “Please leave,” was her sole response. No emotion in her voice. Just one very clear request. Back in bed, I thought about my upcoming trip. In just a few hours, I was supposed to leave for California. But Laurel was sick, and she was pregnant. Listening to the toilet flush, I reached for my phone and started tapping out an email to cancel my trip. But then, if I stay home, what can I really do? I stopped tapping. The evening before, I’d contacted someone to help with the kids. Our friends would respond with chicken soup. And Laurel had a doctor’s appointment the next day, where she’d be given antibiotics or whatever medicine she needed. Mentally running through my checklist of helpful actions, I concluded there was no way I could help. And clearly Laurel didn’t want my help anyway. Besides, I had to go on the trip. It was a short and important meeting with individuals who could help us significantly expand HOPE’s ministry. Finishing my mental gymnastics, I nailed the dismount, arched my back and extended my arms. Lover at home; killer at work. Let’s do this thing. I deleted the email, rolled over and fell back asleep.

When the alarm went off a few hours later, I saw that Laurel was sleeping soundly. Confirmation. Getting up, I performed my well-rehearsed routine like a ninja: silently showering, shaving and making coffee in less than twenty minutes. I skipped the normal kiss goodbye—don’t want to wake her—and slipped out of the house. In the car, I reassured myself. “I’ll be back soon,” I said out loud. Opening the TED Talks app on my phone, I began listening to sociologist Dan Buettner on how to live to be one hundred. Drawing from a study of regions where a high percentage of the population enjoys prolonged lifespans, Buettner shared insights on how to live a full life. Oddly none of the wisdom involved choosing a business trip over caring for a sick spouse. That’s when it hit me. Live to be a hundred? I might not make it to next week. 

Back home, Laurel felt abandoned after waking up to find me gone. “If you prioritized and cared for me,” she later said, “there is no way you would have left when I was sick, pregnant and it was snowing.” Her words were succinct and sobering. There was simply no arguing who was right. Choosing to go on the trip indicated a bigger problem: I had a faulty understanding of my calling and too much of my identity bound up in work. When I left for the airport that morning, I was following a pattern deeply engrained through years of practice. When challenges arose in my family, I would try to help, but I never seemed to do so in exactly the right way or at the right time. So I fled to work, where I was better at solving problems, where people recognized my expertise and where I could be successful. Success at work came far easier than success at home. Over time, I convinced myself that leaving was good for both Laurel and for me. I was never a very good multitasker, and traveling allowed me to put the challenges of home out of my mind. Work had a firm, two-fisted hold on my heart. Leaving Laurel when she was sick sent a clear message—I value work over you. I’m an addict in recovery and working to realign my priorities with God’s greatest commandment to love God first. Love people second, and to remember that includes the people who are closest to us! Never again do I want to allow my work to become supreme. It’s active work to resist the urge to flee to the office when there are challenges at home. Let’s not allow work take a place of preeminence in our lives and transform us into people we never thought we’d be.

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Vice Chairman and President | FaithSearch Partners

Greg serves as Vice Chairman of the FaithSearch Partners Board, and as President of the Mission Enterprise Division. He also serves as senior consultant for a variety of national and international clients. Greg was the founding leader of Halftime Talent Solutions prior to its merger with FaithSearch in early 2018, and developed the operating model for the organization to bring cost-effective, high-quality management recruiting and talent acquisition services to the faith-based non-profit community.

During more than 25 years in retained executive search and global recruitment strategy consulting, Greg has consistently built innovative and effective recruitment processes for his clients. He combines rapid candidate identification and development with sensitivity to matching the right professionals to the unique culture and specific mission objectives of each client.

Prior to the launch of Halftime Talent Solutions, Greg served as both Vice President of U.S. Search Operations and Managing Director of Global Healthcare and Life Sciences Practice for Futurestep. Before joining Futurestep in 2005, Greg was a regional managing director and senior client partner in the executive search division of Korn/Ferry’s Healthcare and Life Sciences Practice for eight years.

Greg resides in Dallas with his wife of 30+ years and is grateful for three thriving adult children.

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— by William Norvell

“He must increase, but I must decrease” – John the Baptist

This verse was the inspiration for my new podcast, The Search for Humility

I’ve recently studied the life and impact of John the Baptist, and the little information we know about him is quite staggering. 

In Matthew 11, Jesus himself said of John: “Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.”

This quote sums up what I admire about John because I believe he truly internalized both of those statements.

Notwithstanding Jesus himself, we can learn more about humility from the life of John the Baptist than from anyone else. He truly lived out his calling in extraordinary ways while always pointing people back to the King.

Remember Jesus’s baptism. First of all, he did not need to get baptized by a mortal man, but once he decided to do so—why did he choose John? I believe he went to John because he knew his heart would not well up with pride at being chosen for such a lofty task. Because he was truly a humble man.

As I’ve studied John the Baptist, I have become convinced that humility is God’s secret weapon to thwart the ultimate enemy of pride and bring pockets of heaven to earth. If I can focus on how Jesus must increase and I must decrease, then God will, without fail, use me for his purposes. Easier said than done.

So, I decided to embark on a 50-day journey through scripture to unlock this secret weapon. Since I am more of a speaker than writer, I did this in podcast form. 

The Search for Humility is a 50-day journey in five parts:

Season 1 – Jesus as our example of humility

Season 2 – Dangers of pride

Season 3 – The fight for humility

Season 4 – Humility in community

Season 5 – Rewards of humility

I would be honored if anyone wants to come on this journey with me. Hopefully, the Word of God can come alive in new ways and our hearts can become more humble.

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Phil Vischer, author, filmmaker, and creator of VeggieTales, shares how the rise and fall of his first “Big Idea” led him to a new understanding of identity and what it means to be rooted in a relationship with Christ. 

He challenges faith driven entrepreneurs to consider that God’s call on their lives is much more about walking with Him than it is doing things for Him. Listen in to hear him explain why it’s more important to know your identity is secure in who God is, rather than what you do or your success rate in it.

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Phil Vischer: Hey, everybody, at Faith Driven Entrepreneur. This is Phil Vischer.

I have a question for you. Who do you think you are? No really. Who do you think you are?

I want to talk about identity. When we’re kids, we’re always wondering what am I going to be when I grow up? Who am I going to be when I grow up? Am I going to be an astronaut or am I going to be a cowboy? Am I going to be a racecar driver? What am I going to be? Because that’ll tell me who I’m going to be. And we all want to know who we are. We all want to know our identity. So I was a little weird when I was a kid because I grew up in a family of Christian ministry superstars.

My great grandfather was the first nondenominational radio preacher in America. He started a Bible conference in northwest Iowa and I went there every year as a kid. He preached on the radio for 40 years until he died in 1964. And he was friends with Billy Graham. He was friends with Towser and he was friends with all these giants of the faith that very often came to the Bible conference. I saw missionaries from all around the world.

One of my great uncles was the first white man into a whole section of Irian Jaya and literally brought the gospel to cannibals. So between the radio preachers and the missionaries working with cannibals, I saw amazing people doing amazing things.

And so as a kid, the question I was asking myself was, what amazing thing am I going to do?

What would make me an amazing person to like all of these people that I admire? I didn’t want to be a missionary. I was too shy to introverted. I didn’t want to be a pastor. I didn’t really like talking to people very much. I liked playing with puppets. I liked playing with animation. I like playing with computers.

So I kind of wandered my own way backwards, sideways into a brand new occupation, using computers to animate vegetables to tell kids about God. And I just thought, well, this is fun, maybe this is what I do, maybe this is my thing, maybe this is what my grandparents would say, hey, he’s one of the good ones. It worked better than I imagined. It kind of took off. And and as veggie tales exploded, my view of my identity started to change. I started to think now everywhere I went, you know, still in my 20s and everywhere I went was, hey, you’re the VeggieTales guy, you’re the VeggieTales-guy. And I thought, I am I am the VeggieTales-guy. That is who I am. And as it grew even more, I started to expand my own vision for what I could do for God. And it got way bigger. And I decided, sure, it’s nice to be the VeggieTales-guy. That’s a cool thing.

But what if God wants me to be the next Walt Disney? And what if he wants me to be the Christian Walt Disney? Wouldn’t that be fantastic for everyone? And that became my new identity. I am going to be the Christian Walt Disney.

So things are going so great, like everything that I was trying was working. So I invested more money in more people and more projects and we launched all sorts of stuff. And we grew. And we grew. And we grew. And we grew and we grew. And everything was going wonderfully until suddenly it wasn’t.

And once when the first things start to go wrong with the thing that you’re doing, that’s going really well. Your first thought is, well, it’ll come back around, it’ll come. It’s just temporary. It’ll come back around God. And if you’ve spiritualized it, this is something that God wants to have happen. What God can turn it around. God can make it come back and I’ll be right back on top again. And he didn’t. And it didn’t. And I went from in nineteen ninety nine having two thousand two hundred employees and forty million dollars in revenue to 2003, sitting in the back of a bankruptcy court in federal court and watching everything that I had built for God, get packed up in a box and sold at a public auction.

And there I was with my identity, the vegetables guy, the next Walt Disney dead in my hands, just just dead vegetables was gone. I didn’t own it anymore.

How could I be the vegetables guy if I didn’t even own vegetables? And Walt Disney, I’d lost my animation studio. I had nothing. How I the whole thing, the whole frame of what my identity was, was gone. All I could say was, God, why did you let that happen? You know, didn’t you see how hard I was working for you? Didn’t you see how much good I was doing for you? The least you could have done was just shown up and helped.

It’s really hard when you’re young and the first thing you do works really, really well because what you do becomes who you are. I became the vegetables guy. I was going to be the next Walt Disney. That was who I was. And when it was all gone, when I’d lost it all, I was sitting there with nothing, watching everything get carted away to new owners to do new operations of the same characters, but run by new people, not me.

All I was left was God and I didn’t know where else to turn. So I turned to God and said, Why? How did you let that happen? Why could you let that happen?

I don’t get it. And God said, Did you notice how miserable you were? Did you notice?

There is no joy in what you were doing, you were stressed, you were anxious, you were worried, you were in H.R. meetings when you wanted to be playing with puppets, you were worrying about valuations and bankers. When you wanted to be drawing pictures, you were miserable, chasing an identity I never gave you.

I realized I’ve been looking for my identity and what I did rather than who I was. I was looking for my identity in the work I was doing for God rather than my relationship with God.

I was trying to figure out why I was so unhappy. In one night in bed, I was reading The Fruit of the Spirit, Paul’s letter, and he’s listing the fruit of the spirit. And I got through the whole, you know, peace, joy, love kind of thankfulness on and on as a well. Where’s. We’re stress because I’ve got that in spades, I’ve got bushel baskets full of stress, and that does not appear to be on the list of the fruit of the spirit.

So as got unpacked this for me, he showed me that I had made the work I was doing for him more important than my relationship with him. My focus was on the work. Veggie Tales was so important, vegetables was so valuable, vegetables was changing the world. Surely Veggie Tales was more important to God than I was.

And what God showed me when he let it all fall apart. Is that I was actually the one that he cared about, not Bob the tomato and Larry the cucumber, he cared about me.

I realized that not only stress, not a fruit of the spirit, but stress is an amazing warning sign stress.

If you know about the canary in the coal mine. Miners used to carry canaries in small cages in the coal mines because if there was a methane leak or another link of a poisonous gas, canaries were very sensitive and they would stop singing. If if the canary stops singing, you should take that as a warning.

If the canary dropped dead, get the heck out of the coal mine. For me, stress is that canary. What does it tell me? When I’m feeling stress, I’m holding on to outcomes. I’m holding on to my schedule, my budget, my plan, my goals, my vision of my identity. What does God want us to focus on? He doesn’t want to focus on outcomes. He wants us to focus on obedience. What God wants me to focus on is what if I asked you to do today and are you doing it? It’s just that simple. He doesn’t care how far vegetables was going to go. He doesn’t care if I was going to build a theme park someday. He cared if I was walking with him. Here’s the deal. God doesn’t need me.

He doesn’t need Bob the tomato. He doesn’t need Phil Vitter, and guess what, he doesn’t need you either. He doesn’t need me. He wants me. Why does he want me? Because he can’t make vegetable shells on his own. No, of course not. You can do whatever he wants. He’s God. He wants me because he loves me. He doesn’t want me to work for him. He wants me to walk with him. And when I’m walking with God, I can take all my plans, my budgets, my goals, my identity, my whatever vision for the whatever future of whatever it is I’m thinking about.

I can take you to the cross, I can nail it to the cross and I can leave it there. I can say, God, this is your business. Your business is outcomes. My business is obedience.

I remember after I lost big idea I was trying to rebuild my career, I sat down with a consultant and the consultant asked the question, where do you want to be in five years? And I thought about it for a while. I realize I didn’t know how to answer. I was trying to accept the idea that Christ was Lord of my life. And if Christ is Lord of my life and I actually understand what Lordship is, where I want to be in five years is none of my business. Where I want to be in ten years is none of my business. My business is what is God asked me to do today and am I doing it? And that has as much to do with how I’m treating the girl who’s bagging my groceries at the grocery store, as it does with my big world changing ideas over the last couple of years. Got really convicted me to focus on Psalm 23. The Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want I memorized that sum when I was like five years old on a on a family camping trip. I remember it very well, but it’s a pretty poem until you actually read and and understand what it says. The Lord is my shepherd.

I shall not want I shall not need anything. I shall not want for anything. And that just doesn’t make any sense. How could I not want for anything?

I need food. I need money. I need a house. I need a family. I need a car. I need a job. I need meaningful.

God is all I need. God was enough for Paul when his ministry was going fantastic and God was enough for Steven when he was being stoned.

God is all we need and not because he can make our plans come true and he can make our identity that we want for ourselves manifest itself.

Amazingly, no, he is all we need because he made us.

So does that mean we don’t do good work? No, we do good work. We were created in Christ for good works.

God invites us into good work, not because he needs us, because he wants us. The invitation to walk with him, to work alongside him isn’t for his benefit. It is for the shaping of my character and the blessing of the world. It is for joy, my joy and the joy of everyone I come in contact with. We are ambassadors of reconciliation. We are a holy priesthood. We are his hands and feet on earth. Not because he can’t do it without us, but because he doesn’t want to. Because it brings joy to all of creation when we do it together. So keep an eye on your stress. It is not a fruit of the spirit, but a sign that you’re holding on to something that God wants you to let go of.

What are you holding on to today? That God wants you to let go of and pursue your joy?

Bearing good fruit is a joyful experience, even when it’s hard. But overall, keep your eyes on your creator. You aren’t working for him. You’re walking with him.

— by Keri-Leigh Paschal

Growing up in South Africa post-Apartheid has been a challenging but rich experience. As a country, we have been on a journey of growth towards restoring human dignity where it was once lost and this has resulted in more of the mysteries of God being revealed to us as a nation. 

In my primary school years, our schools went from a racially segregated system to racially integrated classrooms literally overnight. There was no guidance or integration process for the people of colour who were suddenly put in schools where they were the minority. Similarly, the children in the majority were not made aware of the fact that these new learners might be facing many challenges, such as language barriers, different home contexts and diverse life experiences. There was no meaningful engagement with those who would be most affected: the students.

When I was at university, the Broad-Based Black Economic Empowerment codes of conduct for businesses were implemented in an attempt to redress the inequalities of Apartheid. I was consequently part of the first graduate groups entering the workforce with the new codes of conduct in place. As the South African business community scrambled to figure out how to navigate these new codes, and more diversity (cultural and socio-economic) was being introduced into the workforce, the multi-layered complexity that these transitions presented became apparent. Again, ineffective engagement with the relevant stakeholders resulted in unnecessary added complications and resistance.

Learning how to navigate cultural and socio-economic differences has become a way of life, and something that we have had to figure out by trial and error, through raw and vulnerable conversations. We have often gotten it wrong, and unfortunately, still do sometimes. Divisive social norms, real and perceived biases, stereotypes and just plain ignorance have left many people feeling silenced, undervalued, hurt, or fearful.  

The Depth of Dignity

There is still a large socio-economic divide and as people with resources, influence, and education, many of us feel a responsibility to address the needs that we see around us. With the best intentions, we use all of who we are and our life context (often in consultation with other well-educated and resourced individuals) to find solutions that we can execute on to solve the needs we see. We should also consider, however, whether the way we solve problems is truly dignifying to all concerned. 

Having worked for 10 years in the space of intersection between business and social development, I have seen that there is an indisputable joy that one experiences in the act of generosity. It is often said that the giver is just as, if not more, blessed than the receiver. In this Kingdom truth, we sometimes miss a crucial element of generosity – the building up or restoring of dignity. 

I have seen many acts of generosity that come from a genuine desire to problem-solve widen the divide that it was supposed to close. I increasingly find myself asking… did that act of generosity show, in word and deed, that the people in need have value? Did they have actual influence over the solution to their own problem, or were solutions handed to them with an expectation of gratitude? 

Do we as Christians know how to restore and build dignity? Or do we, more often than we are aware of, deny dignity through our acts of  generosity and problem solving? 

Dignity is a wonderful word that we often use, but what does it actually mean? It comes from a Latin word dignitas, which means worthiness, which in turn means to be of value. We can, therefore, summate that dignity is the bestowing of value on oneself and others. Genesis 27 says, “So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.” 

If we are all created in God’s image, we all have inherent value and the same value as one another – image bearers of God.

Why then do we have such inequality and injustice in our world?

The Fall

The fall, in Genesis 3, skewed this understanding of great value, and mankind formed its own constructs of value, assigning greater and lesser value to people based on man-made paradigms. Value became a commodity that is gained through money, resources, power and education.

This view of value has shaped societies, worldviews and world politics since the fall, and as children of our time, we have not escaped its impact.

Beauty in the Body

In 1 Corinthians 12 it says, 

“Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptised by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many.” (1 Corinthians 12:12-14)

“On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honourable we treat with special honour. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honour to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honoured, every part rejoices with it.” (1 Corinthians 12:22-26)

We are all one body yet have different roles and gifts to accomplish its effective working. If we are not taking more time to understand the gifts and specific contributions that each role player brings, we miss out on crafting a solution that not only has a greater depth of understanding and sustainability, but also has a huge role to play in restoring dignity to communities and people who have been stripped of it. From employee engagement in business to community engagement in upliftment projects, it is a biblical imperative for us to recognise and celebrate the value of all people. 

What I love about God’s view on value is that when a diverse array of people get together (as do the different parts of the body) to work together on a united vision, the assets, skills and understanding of all parties are of the same value and together they execute on the best outcome. 

Gold in Unexpected Places

By consulting and understanding the perspective of all role players in a project, we can unlock a depth of understanding of the problem and community dynamics that would not have been otherwise possible. When a community’s internal assets are paired with the skills and technology of well-resourced people, far greater and more sustainable solutions can be achieved. 

This is where the real gold is found…the gold that shines from the inside out. When people have played a pivotal role in collaborating alongside the “most valuable people” (according to a world perspective) to solved their own community or family problems dignity is restored. This is the secret to true joy in generosity. 

What would it look like if we all consult the people ‘less valuable’ to truly understand their actual and not an assumed need? What would it look like to brainstorm solutions together with people who have lower education levels and a scarcity of resources, yet hold an abundance of community connection and resourcefulness?

The World is Catching On

Reading the Harvard Business Review or any other business publication, it is clear that the rest of the world has started to catch on to the fact that valuing a diversity of thought and experience in a room is key to finding superior solutions to client needs, social and environmental challenges and even in-house business challenges.

It is not surprising that these very biblically-based principles are achieving incredible results, just as our body can achieve incredible results when all of the different metabolic processes, muscles, and neurons work together. As a trained Biochemist, it always fascinated me that the different elements of the body are in constant communication and collaboration with one another and that the most seemingly insignificant processes often had the greatest effects on the body if not working correctly. We have much to learn from our bodies and God’s divine intent for His creation. 

Displaying Divine Value

The challenge I put to myself and other people of worldly power is to truly value the people around you through your words and actions. At work, at home, in your neighbourhood and towns and even foreign nations we send aid to. I believe that we should never stop being curious and teachable, seeing every encounter as a learning opportunity. I have learnt that I am unable to fulfil the role of any other part of the body other than that which God made me to be. I have experienced that undeniable joy that comes from valuing people enough to seek their input and contribution in big and small matters. 

May we, as Christian business leaders, claim back the essence of unity and collaboration as a Christ-centred people and show the world the beauty inherent in every community when people are treated and valued as true image-bearers of Christ. In unity God commands a blessing and advances His Kingdom. May we be a part of advancing His Kingdom here on earth. 

 “Many who cared deeply about the poor didn’t think about how the systems, structures, and cultures of our industries might actually be contributing to the fractures in our culture.”

– Timothy Keller’s Every Good Endeavor 

This is one of the 2020 CEF Whitepapers. For more information on the Christian Economic Forum, please visit their website here.

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Trust in the Lord with all your heart

    and lean not on your own understanding;

in all your ways submit to him,

and he will make your paths straight.[a]

Proverbs 3:5-6

David Powell: So my life verse is Proverbs 3:5-6. I trust the Lord with all your heart and understanding in all your ways, knowledge, and we will make your path straight. And that I felt like that life verse was given to me in college and God just continued to show it to me, so I kind of held on to that. And the big thing there is trusting in him. This is fairly recent, but I read a book by Mark Batterson “In a Pit with a Lion on a Snowy Day” and just confronting the challenges and confronting my fears and uncertainty. And it just brought me back to that burst of trust in him because nobody knows what’s going to happen. Nobody knows what’s around the corner. But ultimately, if I submit to the Lord and let Him lead and guide, then it’s going to work out. And it’s not up to me, right? It’s up to him. So I think I’ve just I’ve just found a lot of peace, a lot of peace in that. 

PJ Nardy: You know, God’s at work as you’re saying it, because I’m looking at some things that I just jotted down, put my thoughts toward them, and right here says “trust him”. And it’s not just about trusting him with everything but submitting to him, you know, David and I are in a unique position as the business scales because we weren’t mine workers. We’re hiring subject matter experts that know more about the trade than we do. So it’s a matter of stewardship now and trusting him and seeking his wisdom to keep your path and make your path straight. For me, it’s kind of a parable that I’ve looked at a hundred times, but my eyes were open to it just this year. And it’s the parable of the mustard seed that we’ve seen in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and Jesus talks about if you have the face of a mustard seed, how small it is, we always focus on you and say to this mountain, you know, move from here to there. You can accomplish these things. And the uncertainty that we’ve seen with the pandemic this year and just your own personal life. You know, my marriage submitting to him and having faith and trusting him and that and trusting in God’s provision for my boys and just me as a leader, both at home, here, kept looking at that faith of a mustard seed. And it was only this year that I realized that. You know, we look at how little faith we need to please God, and in actuality, the mustard seed is the fastest-growing of all the seeds. So if you put your faith in him, instantly, you’ll see that return. And that was one of the most eye-opening things for me this year. You know, you don’t have to just put your faith in him in a way, but he makes that promise that your faith can do great things. But his promise is even quicker than we ask. So I really say that again, trusting him, like David said, and the fact that the moment we put our faith in him, he’s taking care of the details and he’s at work. 

David Powell: One of the things that I want to leave everybody with is P.J. and I both, number one: We’re running a business built as a team. I mean, we have to rely on our team to make this work. And so, you know, there’s a lot of trust and there’s a lot of faith that comes for us running a business that’s not necessarily our background. Number two is both of us have a daily habit of closing our door, spending time in the Words being time and prayer. Every day we come into the office and we have it marked off on our calendars and our staff knows what we’re doing. And we’ve shared with them that we’re praying for you guys, we’re praying for students for this company. We’re praying for our hearts in our direction and where we’re going. And I think we’ve made that just a routine. It’s the standard. So I think just showing our team and our staff and it just reminds us of how much we do need God.